CZ52GUY
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Hi,
I'll try to check back in to answer questions...but this is the Overview version.
This was not a "sanctioned event". Our IDPA discipline chairman at the club described it as an informal carbine shoot because several IDPA members also own self-defense rifles as house guns. Gives us all an opportunity to do some "IDPA style" shooting with our SD rifles/carbines.
$10 for club members, $15 for non-members. Covers the cost of getting the event set up and organized...provides some small amount of "revenue" to the IDPA discipline at the club. I thought it was money well spent compared to what I expend indoors during cold weather for stationary bench shooting.
10-12 participants...maybe a few more that came in after I finished up. Primarily RO's from the last pistol match.
No score sheets. RO will tell you your time and your score for you to record if you want to. No trophy or certificate of participation or anything like that.
No mandatory reload points. Speed loads allowable on any stage at shooter's discretion. Show clear at end of stage but no dry-fire requirement. Muzzle down sling carry is okay...otherwise benches were set up to show rifle action up open, empty mag well, pointed at side berms in bays. 10rd in-mag limit (most AR shooters seemed to be using downloaded 20's).
I'd describe it as more of a "get-together"...sort of like a THR rallying event variation.
3-Stages.
Stage 1 = Skills stage...IDPA classifier style.
3-Targets at appropriate IDPA distance but all same height.
String 1 - 3 Sets of Mozambiques from 10-12 yards
String 2 - 3 Sets of doubles while advancing from ~12 yards (5-yd fault line)...shooter must be moving.
String 3 - 3 Sets of doubles while retreating from 5-yards (12 yd rear fault line - covered "tent")
Stage 2 = 4/17 IDPA event variant, Single string of 18 shots (3 ea on 6 targets)
Approximately 6x6 "Wall"...3 foot extensions on each side...good size "window" with 3 bars on left. Right side extension had small window (smaller than most bathroom windows...narrow opening about 18x12 I'd guess).
Barrels used to establish "hallway" to right of wall which angles out about 45 degrees at the end.
Shooter starts at center of wall. Engages T1 which is visible from starting point....about 5-yds away...slicing pie and moving left T2 comes up very fast and is only 7-yds away about a yard or so to right of T1.
Shooter moves right to engage T3 which is about 10-12 yds down range. Narrow opening makes T4 also visible. I did an RWR after putting 2 into T3...probably should have done it immediately after T2 (lesson learned). T4 is about 3ft to left of T3 but a little lower.
Next, shooter moves down hallway of barrels (doublestacked) to expose T5 and T6 about 8-9 yards away...about 3ft apart from eachother.
Stage 3 = House Stage - similar to 4/17 IDPA event I attended but I think this one was more challenging (absent a swinger...). 16 shot string.
Shooter positions to left of doorway leading into a hallway. Engages T1 & T2 which are about 15-yds down range with 2 each.
Having neutralized them, proceeds partway down a hallway (used some "paneling" which added to the "house feel"). I'd say 6 ft down the hall shooter encounters doorway which exposes T3 & T4 10-12 yards away. Fully exposed targets.
Another 5-6 feet exposes a "door" partially ajar where two HC protected targets are exposed. T3 you only see IDPA head. T4 is leaning around the same cover to shooter's left with IDPA head and partial torso..."-0" zone is fully visible with about 1" around it. Both targets were no more than 5 yards away.
I did RWR and moved on to next part of course which requires shooter to move down range and to right about 3ft to another hallway which exposes T5 about 10 yards away. Finally, shooter proceeds about 8 feet down this hallway to opening with "post" fault line. Shooter is to slice pie and engage T6 which is about 6 yards away partially exposed around friendly.
This one I bested the RO in front of me
. He decided to re-shoot...he had some difficulty doing a RWR with his AR.
Bottom line, GREAT FUN! Different atmosphere from a sanctioned competition.
I had brought my little Ruger PC9 to try to keep it simple...using something which uses pistol mag's made the reloads more familiar. There were mostly AR's with a SAR-1 and an HK G3 thrown in (THAT WAS LOUD IN THE HOUSE!!!). There was another gentleman who brought a PC9 as well. Most shooters had optics of some type...except an older gentleman who didn't move very well but I don't think ever had a pair or triple that were more than an 1" apart...he was using the iron's on his AR. God bless him.
Parenthetical thought:
I had my cheap little BSA Red Dot mounted on a B-Square see-through weaver rail on the PC9. It continues to hold up nicely for this type of application (I had very good results practicing with it the night before out to 50-yds). 100-yds was easy enough to keep on an IDPA target...from bench (without dedicated rest) I was able to keep on 12" bullseye for sighting in without much effort...9mm makes kind of a slapping sound as it hits paper both at 50 & 100 yds...seems to take a while to get there compared to 7.62x39.
Bottom line, great fun...not the kind of practice you can do every day. I thought I did okay for my first time out. Advancing was weird with a long gun (I've practiced it with pistol for IDPA classifier...long gun felt very different). Made all my head shots. Most -0 misses were -1 low and center.
My best stage was the House stage which I did in 36 seconds with a RWR and was only down 3 (again, low center about 1-2" below -0). My muzzle direction was pretty good (by pretty good I mean I was safe, in control, and able to quickly acquire...but Gun-Site I'm sure won't be calling to have me doing the CQB demonstration in their next video)...I thought I mounted and acquired pretty well. Threw in some legitimate DT's (I generally shoot rapid controlled pairs). My position within the hallway was probably horrible...didn't even consider that in the "heat of the moment". I thought my pace of movement was much better as was the pace of shooting. I didn't feel like I rushed anything all day. Didn't bang into anything. Didn't drop anything. Didn't have any malf's of any kind. Didn't shoot anybody that wasn't wearing cardboard. All in all, it was great fun...next time...my SAR-1 and Kobra are coming .
Safe shooting,
CZ52'
P.S. I'll be on business travel this week so if you have questions and I don't get to them right away, please be patient...I expect to check in tonight and then again later in the week.
I'll try to check back in to answer questions...but this is the Overview version.
This was not a "sanctioned event". Our IDPA discipline chairman at the club described it as an informal carbine shoot because several IDPA members also own self-defense rifles as house guns. Gives us all an opportunity to do some "IDPA style" shooting with our SD rifles/carbines.
$10 for club members, $15 for non-members. Covers the cost of getting the event set up and organized...provides some small amount of "revenue" to the IDPA discipline at the club. I thought it was money well spent compared to what I expend indoors during cold weather for stationary bench shooting.
10-12 participants...maybe a few more that came in after I finished up. Primarily RO's from the last pistol match.
No score sheets. RO will tell you your time and your score for you to record if you want to. No trophy or certificate of participation or anything like that.
No mandatory reload points. Speed loads allowable on any stage at shooter's discretion. Show clear at end of stage but no dry-fire requirement. Muzzle down sling carry is okay...otherwise benches were set up to show rifle action up open, empty mag well, pointed at side berms in bays. 10rd in-mag limit (most AR shooters seemed to be using downloaded 20's).
I'd describe it as more of a "get-together"...sort of like a THR rallying event variation.
3-Stages.
Stage 1 = Skills stage...IDPA classifier style.
3-Targets at appropriate IDPA distance but all same height.
String 1 - 3 Sets of Mozambiques from 10-12 yards
String 2 - 3 Sets of doubles while advancing from ~12 yards (5-yd fault line)...shooter must be moving.
String 3 - 3 Sets of doubles while retreating from 5-yards (12 yd rear fault line - covered "tent")
Stage 2 = 4/17 IDPA event variant, Single string of 18 shots (3 ea on 6 targets)
Approximately 6x6 "Wall"...3 foot extensions on each side...good size "window" with 3 bars on left. Right side extension had small window (smaller than most bathroom windows...narrow opening about 18x12 I'd guess).
Barrels used to establish "hallway" to right of wall which angles out about 45 degrees at the end.
Shooter starts at center of wall. Engages T1 which is visible from starting point....about 5-yds away...slicing pie and moving left T2 comes up very fast and is only 7-yds away about a yard or so to right of T1.
Shooter moves right to engage T3 which is about 10-12 yds down range. Narrow opening makes T4 also visible. I did an RWR after putting 2 into T3...probably should have done it immediately after T2 (lesson learned). T4 is about 3ft to left of T3 but a little lower.
Next, shooter moves down hallway of barrels (doublestacked) to expose T5 and T6 about 8-9 yards away...about 3ft apart from eachother.
Stage 3 = House Stage - similar to 4/17 IDPA event I attended but I think this one was more challenging (absent a swinger...). 16 shot string.
Shooter positions to left of doorway leading into a hallway. Engages T1 & T2 which are about 15-yds down range with 2 each.
Having neutralized them, proceeds partway down a hallway (used some "paneling" which added to the "house feel"). I'd say 6 ft down the hall shooter encounters doorway which exposes T3 & T4 10-12 yards away. Fully exposed targets.
Another 5-6 feet exposes a "door" partially ajar where two HC protected targets are exposed. T3 you only see IDPA head. T4 is leaning around the same cover to shooter's left with IDPA head and partial torso..."-0" zone is fully visible with about 1" around it. Both targets were no more than 5 yards away.
I did RWR and moved on to next part of course which requires shooter to move down range and to right about 3ft to another hallway which exposes T5 about 10 yards away. Finally, shooter proceeds about 8 feet down this hallway to opening with "post" fault line. Shooter is to slice pie and engage T6 which is about 6 yards away partially exposed around friendly.
This one I bested the RO in front of me
. He decided to re-shoot...he had some difficulty doing a RWR with his AR.Bottom line, GREAT FUN! Different atmosphere from a sanctioned competition.
I had brought my little Ruger PC9 to try to keep it simple...using something which uses pistol mag's made the reloads more familiar. There were mostly AR's with a SAR-1 and an HK G3 thrown in (THAT WAS LOUD IN THE HOUSE!!!). There was another gentleman who brought a PC9 as well. Most shooters had optics of some type...except an older gentleman who didn't move very well but I don't think ever had a pair or triple that were more than an 1" apart...he was using the iron's on his AR
. God bless him.Parenthetical thought:
I had my cheap little BSA Red Dot mounted on a B-Square see-through weaver rail on the PC9. It continues to hold up nicely for this type of application (I had very good results practicing with it the night before out to 50-yds). 100-yds was easy enough to keep on an IDPA target...from bench (without dedicated rest) I was able to keep on 12" bullseye for sighting in without much effort...9mm makes kind of a slapping sound as it hits paper both at 50 & 100 yds...seems to take a while to get there compared to 7.62x39.
Bottom line, great fun...not the kind of practice you can do every day. I thought I did okay for my first time out. Advancing was weird with a long gun (I've practiced it with pistol for IDPA classifier...long gun felt very different). Made all my head shots. Most -0 misses were -1 low and center.
My best stage was the House stage which I did in 36 seconds with a RWR and was only down 3 (again, low center about 1-2" below -0). My muzzle direction was pretty good (by pretty good I mean I was safe, in control, and able to quickly acquire...but Gun-Site I'm sure won't be calling to have me doing the CQB demonstration in their next video
)...I thought I mounted and acquired pretty well. Threw in some legitimate DT's (I generally shoot rapid controlled pairs). My position within the hallway was probably horrible...didn't even consider that in the "heat of the moment". I thought my pace of movement was much better as was the pace of shooting. I didn't feel like I rushed anything all day. Didn't bang into anything. Didn't drop anything. Didn't have any malf's of any kind. Didn't shoot anybody that wasn't wearing cardboard. All in all, it was great fun...next time...my SAR-1 and Kobra are coming .Safe shooting,
CZ52'
P.S. I'll be on business travel this week so if you have questions and I don't get to them right away, please be patient...I expect to check in tonight and then again later in the week.
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