Career question for gunsmiths

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mikle76

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My 17 year old son has shown some interest in gunsmithing. I don't have a clue what the steps to certification are or where to get proper training. All I find on the internet are online classes. I'm a bit leery of anything promised online so I guess my question is how did you (all the gunsmiths that read this) get your start?
 
I was about to post a similar question. I am doing a research paper on gunsmithing as a carreer, in my case a second carreer. One of the local community colleges used to have a course for it. Hope you don't mind if I use any information you get.
 
I am not, or ever was, a gunsmith. But I was a machinist, then an engineer, and still a machinist at heart, at least. I cannot imagine teaching anyone online how to set up a milling machine, a lathe, surface grinder, brazing torch, etc, etc. Never mind a TIG welder. There MUST be a living person close by, if not at one's elbow, to learn those skills from. The number of uncorrected mistakes would be astounding if no one was there to instantly prevent a blown part or ruined tooling. My advice would be to save money until one could ATTEND a school in person, and learn from (hopefully) experts in their fields. Caveat emptor.
 
See these threads:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=627685&highlight=gunsmith+school

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=673983&highlight=gunsmith+school

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=666648&highlight=gunsmith+school

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=653702&highlight=gunsmith+school

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=645546&highlight=gunsmith+school

As for becoming a gunsmith?

Make sure he starts out with a LOT of money.
That way he can be a gunsmith longer, before he runs clear out of money.

If he wants a blue collar profession where he can make a really decent steady living?
Electrician or Plumber come to mind right off the top of my head.

rc
 
I, too am an engineer and a machinist at heart. I spent 40 years working as a mechanical engineer, 35 of which I also had a gun shop on the side. I have been retired from the engineering job for two years, full time in the shop. Strictly self-taught, read every book I could find. I love being a smith but am glad I have my 401K! The best way to make good money at smithing is to have a stupid TV series. LOL. By the way, I have $20,000+ invested in equipment. I would recommend apprenticing with an established smith.
 
To open a shop, all you need is a Federal Firearms License and the business stuff. The ATF doesn't care if you just have a dremel and duct tape.

To actually become a gunsmith, go to one of the schools. I believe the NRA has a list of all of them. I went to Trinidad State Junior College and received an AAS in Gunsmithing. I was hired right out of school to an established shop. But many of my classmates didn't. I am making a living, but not a killing.

On a side note, I keep hearing the "become an apprentice" approach. I have been approached a few times about such. I don't know of any gunsmith taking apprentices. The problem is, apprentices cost money - for quite awhile before just breaking even. That's if they keep at it. And they want to get paid for learning instead of paying. If I ever do take an apprentice, with what I would charge, it would just be faster and cheaper to go to school.
 
I did the apprentice approach, but it is a long haul before becoming skilled enough to get past the menial tasks (recoil pads, sling swivels, polishing for bluing, cleaning, etc.). And that is if the smith has time to teach, which a busy smith often doesn't. I recommend a school.

As for training as a machinist, it is a good skill, but a gunsmith does need more than just knowing how to run a miller or a lathe. A lot of the work involves trying to make a part that is missing, and that you have never seen. That takes knowing how guns work, something even the best machinists often don't know.

Jim
 
If you want to be a real professional, go to a professional school.
The two with the best industry wide reputation are Colorado School of Trades and Trinidad Junior College.
A degree or certificate from either will get you an interview anywhere.
Some of the others are also good.

Cost will be in the thousands, time is usually at least two years. These are serious schools, so the student better be serious.
The internet and mail schools are not serious and are worthless when trying to get a job in the trade.

Here's something I wrote on another forum that sums up:

The only gunsmith "certification" or "diploma" that has any value at all is one from a top gunsmithing school like Colorado School of Trades or Trinidad Junior College.
There are others.
A diploma or certificate from a top school will get you a job interview anywhere, because these schools have industry wide reputations for turning out real pros.
The real schools are attendance schools that typically take at least two years and cost a lot of money.
In those schools you're trained by Master gunsmith/teachers who are looking over your shoulder and telling you if you're doing it right or wrong, and how to do it faster and better.

To be clear: An internet or mail order "school" is good only to teach you enough to do hobby work on your OWN guns. They will not qualify you to work on customers guns.
A certificate of diploma from the internet and mail order schools is worth no more then one you print up on your own printer.
Paying the high amount of money these places charge is a waste of the money if you want to be a true pro.
Apply for a job with a certificate from these places and your resume goes straight into the trash can. If you're lucky they won't actually laugh in your face.

Look at it this way: If you owned a very expensive sports car and it needed work, would you allow a mechanic work on it who learned what he knows over the internet or from a mail order course?

We NEED good gunsmiths. There aren't enough good ones and there are too many with these "certificates" hanging on the wall who are little better then gun butchers.
If you really want to be a professional gunsmith, go to one of the top schools or pick another trade.
While you're at it, take some business courses. Many very good gunsmiths go broke in less then a year because while they're good gunsmiths, they know nothing about running a business.

Here's the available schools:

Colorado School of Trades
1575 Hoyt Street
Lakewood, CO 80215
Phone: 800-234-4594

Lassen Community College
P.O. Box 3000
Susanville, CA 96130
Phone: 530-257-4211

Modern Gun School
80 North Main Street, P.O. Box 846
St. Albans, VT 05478
Phone: 800-493-4114

Montgomery Community College
1011 Page Street
P.O. Box 787
Troy, NC 27371
Phone: 800-839-6222

Murray State College
One Murray Campus
Tishomingo, OK 73460
Phone: 580-371-2371

Pennsylvania Gunsmith School
812 Ohio River Blvd.
Avalon
Pittsburgh, PA 15202
Phone: 412-766-1812

Piedmont Community College
1715 College Drive
P.O. Box 1197
Roxboro, NC 27573
Phone: 336-599-1181

Pine Technical Institute
900 4th Street
Pine City, MN 55063
Phone: 800-521-7463

Trinidad State Jr. College
600 Prospect
Trinidad, CO 81082
Phone: 800-621-8752

Yavapai College
1100 East Sheldon Street
Prescott, AZ 86301
Phone: 520-776-2150
 
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