Carl Gustafs Stades Gevarsfaktori (swedish mauser help)

[jdh]

That 94 is not bubba-ed.

This is a bubba-ed 94




No I didn't do it. I bought it in a sorry state of affairs and tried to at least salvage something from the mess.

 

[Owen Sparks]

Remove the metal butt-plate with a screw driver. Often there is a slip of paper with the name, date and serial number of the man it was originally issued to.

 

[Gordon]

Don't buy new powders, H4831 (and prolly the others) also works well with the 160 grain bullet that the 94 carbines seem to like.
160 gr Hornady RN, Lapua cases, Fed GM210M primers and either 43.5 grs H4831 for average 2300 fps(in a 29" rifle, I never checked it in the carbine like I did the other load). The H4831 load is especially consistent and the pressure seems very mild , like the other I gave you. Seat the bullet to the canalure on the Hornady, it was designed for an 1894 or 1896 6.5x55 BTW.

 

[stanmo]

The scope drilling looks like Bubba work.

 

[Float Pilot]

Here are some experiments with my rifles. the rest are written down in my log book. These were in my rifle and may not be safe in other rifles.


Sierra 120 grain Match King, 45.3 grains of H-100V,
Lapua Brass and a CCI BR2 primer. , loaded to a short 3.085 inch COL.
From my 1943 Husqvarna m/38 , this load gave an average of 2,770 fps and a 0.50 inch group with one flyer out to 0.75 inch.

6.5x55mm
120gr Sierra HPBT
43.0gr H-4350
CCI-200
WW Brass
3.00 col, no crimp
2,787 fps m/96
2,649 fps m/38
2,380 fps m/94

0.39 in grp m/96
1.67 in grp m/38
1.66 in grp m/94
no pressure signs
Clean brass


6.5x55mm
120gr NOSLER Bal-Tip
47.0gr RL-22
CCI-200
WW Brass
3.00 col, no crimp
2,724 fps m/96
2,619 fps m/38

0.28 in grp m/96
3.69 in grp m/38
no pressure signs
Clean brass
Aug 30, 2009. temp 65’F

6.5x55mm
140gr Sierra HPBT
46.3gr RL-22
CCI-200
WW Brass
3.055 col, no crimp
2,729 fps m/96
2,622 fps m/38
2,342 fps m/94
0.68 in grp m/96
1.19 in grp m/38
3.20 in grp m/94
no pressure signs
Clean brass
Aug 30, 2009. temp 65’F


6.5x55mm
120gr Sierra HPBT
47.0gr H-414
CCI-200
WW Brass
2.98 col, no crimp
2,815 fps m/96
2,701 fps m/38

2.00 in grp m/96
3.70 in grp m/38
no pressure signs
VERY DIRTY brass
Aug 30, 2009.
temp 65’F


6.5x55mm 120gr Sierra HPBT 47.0gr RL-19 CCI-200 WW Brass 3.00 col, no crimp
2,813 fps m/96 2,693 fps m/38 2,389 fps m/94 0.90 in grp m/96 1.70 in grp m/38
no pressure signs very Clean brass temp 65 degrees F 08/30/2009
Shot from dirty bore.




6.5x55mm
140gr Sierra HPBT
46.3gr H-1000
Fed 210 match
Lapua Brass
3.100 col, no crimp
2,510 fps m/96
0.90 in grp m/96
no pressure signs
very Clean brass
Sept 6, 2009. temp 55’F


6.5x55mm
140gr Sierra HPBT
46.3gr H-4831
Fed 210 match
Lapua Brass
3.100 col, no crimp
2,683 fps m/96
2,545 fps m/38
1.63 in grp m/96
1.12 in group m/38
slight pressure signs
very Clean brass
Sept 6, 2009. temp 55’F


6.5x55mm
140gr Sierra HPBT
44.0gr H-4831
Fed 210 match
Lapua Brass
3.100 col, no crimp
2,532 fps m/96
0.90 in grp m/96
no pressure signs
very Clean brass
Sept 6, 2009. temp 55’F


6.5x55mm
140gr Sierra HPBT
45.0 gr H-4831
Fed 210 match
Lapua Brass
3.100 col, no crimp
2,635 fps m/96
0.83 in grp m/96
no pressure signs very good load for m/96
very Clean brass
Sept 6, 2009. temp 55’F

6.5x55mm Swede
120gr SMK
40.0gr RL-17
Lapua, WW Standard primer
3.050 COL no Crimp
CG-63 2,670fps and 1.5 inch grp
M/96 2,650fps and 1.2 inch grp
Dirty case necks, temp neg 15C

6.5x55mm Swede
120gr SMK
46.0gr H-4831
Lapua brass, CCI-200
3.070 COL no Crimp
CG-63 2,770fps and 1.2 inch grp
M/96 2,664fps and 1.75 inch grp
Clean cases, temp neg 15 C



6.5x55mm Swede
142gr SMK
44.5gr H-4831
Lapua, CCI-200
3.090 COL no Crimp
CG-63.. Not tested due to yaw
M/96.. 2,570fps and 1.5 inch grp
Clean cases, temp neg 15C



6.5x55mm Swede
140gr Sierra game king BT
46.5gr H-1000
Lapua, WW Standard primer
3.100 COL, no Crimp
CG-63 2,612fps and 1.75 inch grp
M/96 2,500 fps and 1.0 inch grp
Medium dirty necks, Temp Neg 15C

 

[Caddisflied]

Very helpful information!
I've got some 120gr Sierra HPBT MatchKing, and some 120gr Nosler Bal. Tips on the shelf (6.5mm),
but my manuals don't have any 120gr data for the H4831 that I was hoping to try for this 29" m/96.
I think that's where I left off with this rifle, some years ago.

My Nosler manual shows a max load of 47gr of H4831 for 140's.
According to your data, Pilot, it looks like good accuaracy is possible
without maxing out that load.

Didn't find much on the heavier 160's in the books I have, Gordon.
Seems like I read somewhere that these rifles like a relatively long OAL.
I can see where the 160gr RN might have possibilities.

I think for now, I'll see if I can get my hands on some 140gr boattails.
And start with 43 grains of the H4831.

Very impressive groups there Float Pilot!
If I ever come close to a .29 group with any rifle, I'll frame it and hang it in my living room..

Thanks very much for passing on the info guys,
I'm saving it



Note: The Sierra MatchKing bullets should not be used for deer hunting! They're not designed for it.
I mention this because that information wasn't provided in any of my manuals
when I was loading for my 264 Mag years ago.

 

[Float Pilot]

Speaking of the original poster's (Birdmang) m/94 Carbine,,, they have a rifling twist if one turn in 200mm, Or one turn in 7.87 inches.

They and the m/96 rifles, which have the same twist rate, were originally designed to fire a 156 grain (10.1 gram) round nose bullet.

The original overall cartridge length was 80mm or 3.15 inches.

The m/94 carbines gave a muzzle velocity (as best could be measured or guess-ta-mated,,,back in 1894,) of 2,100 fps and the longer 29 inch rifle barrel of the m/96s supposedly gave 2,329 fps. They used a charge of 37grains of some sort of powder which I can not find listed.

The Norwegians also used this ammo or a near equivalent in their 6.5x55mm Krag Rifles and carbines.

In 1925 the Norwegians developed a 9 gram (139 grain) spitzer bullet for their 6.5s.. the Swedes waited until 1941 to introduce this type of bullet into their military service.

The Swede m/41 ammunition used a 139 grain spitzer boat-tail bullet and had a overall cartridge length or 78mm. (3.07 inches col)
They used 46.3 grains of a powder called NC-1220. BUT, I have dissected other ammo made at later dates and they have a different powder and load.

The m/41 ammo gave 2,362 fps from a m/94 carbine.
2,592 fps from a m/96 rifle
and 2,510 fps from a m/38 rifle (23.5 inch barrel)

The Sights on the Swedes are all pretty much set for a 300 meter minimum zero. The range data plated or yellow data stickers which are often seen on them was a way to adjust for the difference between the two types of ammo a soldier might run into.
Any target closer than 300 meters and you were supposed to aim at their belt buckle so you would get an upper chest strike. Higher front sight blades can be used to zero at 100 meters. but it is still a good idea to use a 6 o'clock hold.

 

[Caddisflied]

I noticed that Sierra used one of these Swedish Military Carbines
as their Test Firearm for testing their loads in the reloading manual I have.

Hope it's okay to borrow your thread here for one more question Birdmang.
I probably should have started a seperate thread? I'm new here.

Regarding my 1920 Carl Gustavs model 96.
It has a threaded muzzle.
I read somewhere that this indicates a later rebarreling of the rifle.
Does anyone have any information on this?
And if so, when and where were these rebarrelled?

Thanks

 

[vaupet]

in the early years, weden used blancs with wooden bullets. On top of the barrel was a device that shredded the bullet. This was told to me.
The picture shows my 1909 Carl Gustav with the device.

greetz

Peter

 

[Float Pilot]

Vaupet is correct, the Swedes, along with many other European countries used wooden bullets in their blanks. This let them cycle through various actions without hanging up. Plus I think they used old recycled fired brass.

The older training manuals told the Swede soldiers to shoot off to one side or above the opposing force troops during exercises, but as any soldier will tell you, you cannot soldier proof anything, so they were shooting and injuring each other at closer ranges.

So in 1955, the Swedish Army introduced the Lösskjutningsanordning (blank firing adapter)

Starting in that year many of the m/96s and m/38 rifles were re-barreled with a new threaded-end barrel to accept the BFA. And as Vaupet has already told you, the BFA shreaded the wooden bullets. Thsi also increased the felt recoil and made the training a little more realistic.

The m/96s and m/38s with threaded barrels were designated m/96B and m/38B.

The Swedes issued a yellowish colored semi clear plastic or nylon thread protector for the B designated rifles.
There are also aftermarket blued steel thread protectors that look very nice and totally hide the threads.

The Swedes NEVER installed flash hiders on these rifles as you sometimes see on Bubbed rifles, or in ads on the Gun-traders...

No threaded barrels were EVER installed on sniper rifles.

It seems that towards the end of the time period that the m/96s and m/38s were being rebuilt, (1970s and early 1980s) that the spare parts only included the B type barrels. So you could easily end up with a new B type barrel that never had a blank fired through it.

 

[Caddisflied]

That's interesting!
I've heard of the bullet shredders, but I had never seen one.
They look a lot different than what I had pictured.
Thanks vaupet!

m/96B
So the threaded m/96B's have post 1955 barrels, and maybe as recent as the early 80's.
That makes sense. The finish on this barrel is pretty good.
Yet, the disk on the rifle stock would have been replaced when they changed the barrel,
and since this one has 2 inspection stamps, it must have a few years on it?
I noticed that one of the two crowns on the underside of the barrel is very slightly canted.
(The one nearer the receiver). So it might have gone through the Husqvarna factory sometime after 1955.
And you've already mentioned that it has a Husqvarna bolt, Pilot.

(The thread protector is blued steel instead of the original plastic).

I've learned more about this rifle than I would have thought possible.
Many thanks to you all!

Any addition information would be greatly appreciated,
And thanks for the use of this thread Birdmang.

 

[Float Pilot]

Check to see if the serial number stamped inside the stock barrel channel matches the rest of the rifle. Plus the upper hand-guard.

Also some rifles came into the US without disc's. Or with custom disc that were used by private owners in Sweden. (before their gun laws went nuts)
So many US owners and dealers have slapped in whatever disc they could find. Most folks can't read them anyway...

 

[Caddisflied]

The numbers on the wood match the rest of the gun.
But the disc screw looks suspicious?
It's not brass, looks like steel, and screwdriver marks are visible.

Haha, If I remember right, the fellow I bought this from many years ago,
told me the disc described trajectory calculations for a grenade launcher attachment.

I don't have a digital camera, or I'd send pictures.
The pictures I've tried taking with my cell phone aren't worth sending

 

[Caddisflied]

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