Carry in car tactics

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SUE ROVR

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I have to drive through one of the worst ghettos to get where I need to go.

What tactics do you recommend?

Generally, I keep the glock out (on the black leather seat where you really can't see unless you are right next to the car) but I am open to other suggestions.

I do the don't get boxed in, doors locked, yada yada yada
 
I have removed from IWB ( 4 o'clock strong side) to my weakside slipped in my waistband. Crossdraw if you will.

I hate to have gun end up on floorboard because of being rear-ended, or I had to make a sudden stop or manuever.

Rather have gun in my possesion and under my control at all times.

A few ladies I know bought inexpensive ( Uncle Mike) clip on holsters for this very purpose. Allows them to clip to skirt or pants. Dresses are a bit trickier since the absence of a belt , or not much of one other than for looks. In that case if your drivers door has a rigid pocket - tweak it to hold gun secure and readily accessible with weak hand.
 
What tactics do you recommend?
Get a map, and find another route.

Other than that, try a shoulder or ankle holster. Guns on the seat tend to not be there when you really need them. :uhoh:
 
Someone makes an off body holster like the, ah ,

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This may work. I haven't tried it. I have used a fanny pack and they do well.
 
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I use a cross-draw paddle holster from Comp-Tac when I'm driving.

Slip it on before I leave the apartment and transfer my USP to it after I get in the car. I can have the pistol out and ready instantly, rather than the few seconds it takes to dig it out of my IWB holster.

I'll also echo carpetbaggers comment about finding another route. If it only adds a few minutes to your travel time, it'll be worth it. However, I do realize that sometimes going through a rough part of town is unavoidable. If you do have to drive through a "bad" area, stick to main roads that are well lit, keep the doors locked, and turn the situational awareness knob up a notch. Also bring a spare magazine or two and make sure your cell phone is fully charged. Stay safe! :D
 
When I go to Ohio I use a thigh holster on the outside of my pants. This might work for you situation as well. It's easy to remove if you need to get out of the car or whenever you are ready to return the gun to your normal holster.

The Galco RH holster is meant to be carried on the left leg, putting the gun inside your leg. I find this works well for me in the car on my right leg with the gun somewhat inside my right thigh. This puts the gun upside down (sort of) with the grip up. Hope that makes sense. Anyway this makes the gun very accessable and pretty much only visible from the drivers window. YMMV
 
I lost the website, but I've seen (at local gun stores) a leather folder that has a paper tablet on one side and a pouch for your handgun on the other side. It's specifically made to carry a handgun. Zips closed and appears to be a normal business work folder. Maybe a [google] search could locate one.
 
Lots of holster recommendations already made. My two practical, cheap picks would be a cheap clip-on on the seatbelt or the gun just half-jammed under your leg.

Both will accomplish keeping the gun from sliding around in an impact, both will enable quick access in case of need and both (should) leave the gun visible per Ohio's stupid law. (You can slip the gun out from under your leg a bit as you pull over if need be)

I'd recommend just getting a cheapo "car holster" that stays in the vehicle rather than going to all the trouble of trying to move a "dual-purpose" holster around discretely at your destination. You can unclip the empty "car holster" and shove it under the seat at your destination for discretion as well.

But do also try to find an alternate route first. :D
 
British operatives in Northern Ireland carried two pistols, the regular one in normal CCW, and a "car gun" with extended mag (20 round). The car gun was carried shoved under right thigh (got to think about that awhile.Sounds like muzzl is pointed at left leg , knee, artery.)

Any way, the main feature is a second gun.

Your primary weapon is the car itself (just get out of there.)

Also, if the car gun isn't secure, it will go flying if you slam on the brakes or get hit, along with 7-11 Big Gulp, ink pens, whatever.

That's what happenned to the FBI in Florida. They did rolling felony stop, and a couple of handguns (laid on seat) wound up under the dash, a fatal mistake.
 
SUE ROVR,

Generally, I keep the glock out (on the black leather seat where you really can't see unless you are right next to the car) but I am open to other suggestions.

For me, my car is both my primary means of escape and my first choice for a weapon if I cannot escape. I consider my handgun a weak backup weapon.

Having the gun on the seat raises two issues in my mind. First, I would worry that the weapon will slide off the passenger seat when performing evasive driving maneuvers (hard cornering and braking, etc.), or if my vehicle is hit by another vehicle, or I have to ram another vehicle, etc. If you aren't successful in evading and/or using the vehicle as a weapon and/or need to exit the vehicle in a hurry, and need to go to your gun, you don't want to have to search for it, possibly in the dark, under attack, on the floor of your car.

In fact, if I recall correctly, two of the FBI agents involved in the infamous Miami shootout against Platt and Mattix, had exactly this problem. During the chase, one FBI agent took out his handgun and placed it on the seat beside him (he was driving). When his vehicle collides and comes to a (violent) stop, his gun went flying. He was under fire and couldn't locate it, so he had to use his backup gun for the fight (you carry a backup, right? :) ) Another FBI agent took his gun out and placed it in his lap. When he rammed the suspect vehicle in front, his gun similarly went flying, out of reach.

Second, in the event you're pulled over by the local constabulary, having a gun on the seat when the officer(s) comes to your window will likely allow you to get an up-close look at that department's choice of duty pistol, at least from the muzzle end. ;) By the way, you probably don't want to be fiddling around trying to conceal the gun when you're pulled over, either, as the officer will see you moving around, which may put the officer on even higher alert, and he/she might decide to give you that close-up of his/her gun's muzzle even sooner (remember, you noted this was a "bad" neighborhood). :uhoh:

Suggestions: If you carry on your person, practice drawing while seated in your vehicle (practice with a red/blue "non-gun" or with the gun unloaded, obviously). Practice good muzzle discipline as you train. Think about how you would continue to operate the vehicle, if necessary, while drawing. I personally don't have any difficulty drawing from a canted strong side holster, although I've heard (and can believe) that drawing from shoulder holsters, ankle holsters, and crossdraw holsters is even easier while seated in a vehicle wearing your seatbelt. By the way, you should think about how you would disengage the seatbelt and get it out of the way if you had to exit the vehicle in a hurry.

Another option to solve the first (though not the second) problem of the gun sliding off the seat might be to mount a holster in the car. See, e.g., Sidearmor (http://www.sidearmor.com/cart/catalog/product_26_Glock_Modular_OWB.html, According to their website: "An optional accessory, the hard-point attachment, allows the holster to be mounted to any hard surface such as under a desk or in a vehicle.") Of course, such a mount, if easily visible, won't solve the potential police traffic-stop ("so that's what the muzzle of a cop's loaded gun looks like") problem.

Finally, if your vehicle has an easily accessible center console compartment, perhaps you might consider placing your holstered gun there. Keeps the gun from scooting around during evasive maneuvers, and out of sight.

My $0.02. Hope this helps.
 
edave,

Current Ohio CCW law requires that the handgun be fully visible to an officer approaching the car during a stop. You can't have it concealed on your person or inside anything else. (Thanks OH State Patrol :rolleyes: ) That doesn't justify drawing down on the occupant for obeying the law. I haven't heard of people getting aimed in on as a problem.

The real problem is that some people have gotten dinged for having the gun in their carry holster, on their body, with no covering garment, since a gun at 4 o'clock on the hip can't be seen from the driver's-side window. :banghead:

"Out on the seat" is the natural outgrowth of this part of the law. Any holster or holding device used can't be concealed either. Thus the holster attached to a seatbelt or thigh rigs or other less than optimal options. It's inconvenient on so many levels.

Most cops I know wouldn't ever draw on a legally carried gun (requirement to inform up here), at worst they just take control of it or move you out of the car away from it (if not on body). At best, they complement you on concealing it well and maybe ask what it is and can they see it if it's cool. :evil:
 
Here is what I use. It is made by Fobus. Any roto-holster will fit. It is easy to mount almost anywhere in the vehicle. I just use a towel to keep the gun hidden from view.


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in my car, my favorite carry piece (FN Forty-Nine) fit perfectly between the seat and center console. It seems to stay put even with hard brake usage.

I can get to it with my right hand and still have my left free to operate the door, grapple with opponent, honk horn...etc.

I'd lock the doors and get away from the bad area ASAP.
 
How about attaching two small bits of velcro to the gun and some to the seat?

That way there is no sliding of the gun and it will stay exactly as you placed it.


Or maybe something like this?
 
I jam the muzzle between the seat base and back and it stays put even if I slam on the brakes. The problem I have is that there is no spot where the gun fits in the car and the driver seat area is small enough that I cannot draw from a holster. It also means if my wife is in the car I either have to go to the glove box or leave it on me. I don't want the seatbelt thing because I do not want it obvious there is a gun until someone is within 5 feet or so and by that time the gun is in my hand. Most of the holster shown would seem to add substantially to access time. The notebook is cool but with that time delay I just as well could stick it in the glove box.

I do not have to have the gun out in PA and I keep a set of gloves to cover it if I get pulled.

I guess there is not really a great solution to the problem other than what someone said which is the car is the primary weapon.

Not much can outrun me in the BMW and if I am in the range rover there is not much I can't run over :)
 
Carebear,

Good points in your post. Ohio does have that, er, unusual requirement for in-car carry, although Ohio is the exception. In fact, if I recall correctly, in Ohio, simply touching the (openly displayed) gun, even inadvertently with part of your arm, during the stop may get you arrested and charged with a felony.

Most cops I know wouldn't ever draw on a legally carried gun (requirement to inform up here), at worst they just take control of it or move you out of the car away from it (if not on body). At best, they complement you on concealing it well and maybe ask what it is and can they see it if it's cool.

I agree, the attitude to CCW by law enforcement is very much dependent on the jurisdiction you're in. The L.E. attitude and response to a law-abiding citizen with a gun during a traffic stop, in, say, a major city in a discretionary-issue East coast state (where very few people have permits) will likely be very different than that in a gun-friendly, shall-issue state with legal open carry and lots of CCW permitees, all else being equal.

Stay safe.
 
I'm a sales rep in Miami and carry a glock 19 in a brommeland maxcon 5 IWB.

If I'm in super ultra crack town I take my glock 21 which lives in the console and jam it between the seat and console.

The max con rear belt loop is also slightly larger than the front so I can still draw by leaning forward.

I try not to dwell in this type of area.
 
I guess there is not really a great solution to the problem other than what someone said which is the car is the primary weapon.

IMHO, it will be easier to convince PD that I met my "Duty to retreat" if I have used the vehicle as a weapon rather than a puny handgun(relative to vehicle). ;)

And if I need to bail from the vehicle, I will now not be worried about the tight driver's compartment to hinder the draw. :(
 
LIke Otismo, I live in Miami. I am well aware of those places he speaks of.
I carry something, most often a Colt's Combat Commander in the little pocket of the seat cover of the old Ford Pick Up. Easy to get to, it does not slide around, and I always know where it is. There is usually something behind the seat also. :)
 
Ohio's law actually states that while transporting in a motor vehicle the weapon must be carried in one of the following three ways:

1. In a holster on your person that is in plain sight.
2. In a closed locked glove compartment.
3. In a case that is in plain sight and that is locked.

I would not carry in Ohio with a gun jammed under my leg (no holster) or a clip-on holster fastened to the seat belt (not on my person). The 'plain sight' part of this stupid law is open to interpretation, but I don't think these two points are.

I often use an elastic thigh holster in Ohio (http://homebasedgroup.com/holsters/) . Easy on/off and it holds the weapon and an extra mag very securely.
 
My car seats have these big kangaroo pouches on the back of them. I keep my backup artillery in the passenger seat pouch. Totally out of sight and very easy to grab.

I wear one crossdraw on my belt though and it would get first grab. Only thing I can think of that might be a comparable option is a shoulder holster but then I don't like wearing a jacket on long drives.
 
eagle,

Didn't realize it actually said "holster" and "on body" so yep leg is definitely out. :(

I'd probably be willing to argue the seatbelt issue if ti came up. But then, it's academic to me.

Hopefully the gun owners in Ohio can fix that soon.
 
Carebear- yeah it's the little things that get ya. It is a very annoying aspect of the law, I just remember it came up in my CCW class about being 'on your person' and 'in plain sight' at the same time. Not many 'concealed rigs' do that! :banghead: I agree, the seat belt aspect could be argued, but if you come before a liberal judge I think I know how that would turn out.

My truck does not have a glove compartment that can be locked, so it's either in a locked case or on my thigh. The elastic thigh holster does work well for that, I have the shoulder holster style too and like them both. The biggest issue is discretely changing to your concealed rig when exiting the vehicle. Just doesn't make any sense, I can carry concealed walking down the street but not driving down the same street? :cuss: :banghead: :fire:

OFCC's website has a nice link for any Buckeye interested in emailing legislators about this. I am really hoping it will be changed soon.
 
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