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okay, my girlfriend is about to take the ccw course and that got me thinking about her carry options. it's pretty easy for us guys - i'm usually a t-shirt and jeans type of guy - but women wear a pretty broad ( :D , uh pardon the pun) range of clothing, some of which isn't particularly conducive to carry on the person. one example is that skirts usually don't come with belt loops. personally i think it's a bad idea to keep the gun anywhere but on your person while in public, but clothing might make traditional carry impossible. now you guys out there, i don't want to hear "make the clothes fit the gun" type advice; that's what i do, but you'll have a hard time convincing most females to limit their wardrobe just to carry a pistol. so, grudgingly, i bought one of the galco purses, hoping to convince her to limit its use to when it is the only feasible way to carry. i figure it's better that she have it with her, even in a less accessible mode, than to leave it at home. i'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on carry for females, especially you ladies.
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I've read of a woman that carried in a holster connected to her bra and hanging beneath it. :what:

I personally don't believe that any off-body carry is plausible. Ever hear of purse-snatchers? There are IWB holster with clips that can be used without a belt. Belly bands. Thigh holsters. She just has to accept that she must dress around the gun.
 
now you guys out there, i don't want to hear "make the clothes fit the gun" type advice; that's what i do, but you'll have a hard time convincing most females to limit their wardrobe just to carry a pistol. so, grudgingly, i bought one of the galco purses, hoping to convince her to limit its use to when it is the only feasible way to carry. i figure it's better that she have it with her, even in a less accessible mode, than to leave it at home. i'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on carry for females, especially you ladies.
You say that you don't want to hear 'make the clothes fit the gun' type answers but yet you ask for everyone's thoughts on carry for females. On that note I will chime in. I was a firearms instructor for about 14 years; and I taught a lot of males and femaes about the right and wrong ways to carry. One of the wrong ways, in my opinion, to carry a pistol or revolver is in any type of a bag that can be put down and which is normally put down during the course of your normal routine. A purse is often put down as would be an atatche case. Both are poor choices for carry because anyone else can pick them up. Things put down are also more easily forgotten behind than things attached such as in a hip holster. In addition a purse is not a good place in which to carry because accessing the firearm is not as swift or sure as is accessing one in a hip holster. Another reason not to use a carry bag is because they are more easily snatched away from the person carrying it.

Yes the lady in question should very strongly reconsider her options.Clothing does not make traditional carry impossible, it is the person making the choice about what to wear who may make traditional carry impossible. There are many options to carrying safely and securely that can be worked around clothing choices. If it comes down to a choice of looking good or carrying securely though, I would under almost every circumstance always opt for the carrying securely or not carry at all. vanity and firearms security should not clash; if they do which would she rather be: a fairly attractively dressed woman who was able to retain her pistol, then draw it quickly and negate the threat or, a very injured or dead yet extremely well dressed woman. The choice is her's.

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Glenn B
 
As a female, I've contemplated this question and fully agree with Glenn. While there are some purses that are designed with cables in the shoulder leather to help prevent cut-and-run purse grabs, and while one can train to draw from her purse, I'd never feel comfortable carrying my firearm in a bag that would be set down. Even though I tend to wrap the strap of my own purse around a chair leg if at a restaurant, or otherwise keep it close.

Ever read those stories where the guy was using a public restaurant, and his firearm fell out of his pants onto the floor with a clatter? Well, ever hear of purse-snatchers grabbing handbags from the hooks on the stall door?

Purse-snatching aside, we're not living in the 1800s. Kate Hepburn demonstrated long ago that pantsuits can be very stylish for both business and social attire.

Not a fan of elastic-band gun "holsters" (i.e. SmartCarry or Thunderware) I wonder how quickly a woman can lift up a dress or tucked-in blouse to draw--and hey, they're not comfy against soft female skin. I do, however, resort to the above if I feel I need to carry while wearing workout clothes (not at the gym, but going for an energetic walk in the evening after the heat of the day). I simply wear them over a light tank top/wifebeater, with a tee over that. However, this is one scenario when one can get away with a fanny pack. (Men never can, in my opinion.) Especially if you're walking your dog; folks assume you're carring bags for dookie-pickup, which you should be.

The biggest problem women have in finding the right way to carry should be body shape, not refusal to dress accordingly. If one makes the decision to carry at all times, one should be of the mindset that personal protection should be of more importance than wearing clothing that can't conceal.

Me? I don't carry that often, but since I take after Kate Hepburn in my dressing style, it's fairly easy for me to make necessary adjustments. I've also found that if I really needed to, I could recruit some seamstress friends of mine to make adjustments to waistlines, adding beltloops (scarce in fashionable female suitpants/skirts) or built-in waistline reinforcements.

Pleated pants tend to help, though they're not typically featured in women's fashion mags these days; pleated skirts, a-la Catholic School style, are cute and do better to hide IWB hardware than silhouette cuts.

My two cents, FWIW.
 
http://www.womenandguns.com/ Buy her a subscription... continuing good ideas there.

Off-body carry is a generally bad decision IMHO. My wife manages quite well without resorting to that, but she happens to be one of those females who WILL suit her wardrobe to carry, and hates to go unarmed.
 
Seems to me that more & more women/girls (what is the politicaly correct term nowdays, anyhow?) are going for both the layered and exposed middle look. Add to that the "bad girl" look, and what I happen to see a lot more of is VESTS.

OK, I also happen to like vests, & wear one most of the time. Call it what you want to.

My point is, there are several companies out there that make vests (not LBE stuff) with integral holsters. (Does that mean the vest still qualifies as tacticool?) I just bought my significant other a paisley silk vest with quick-release snaps & an inside holster pocket on each side. Plenty of room for her CCW on the offside (crossdraw) & a reload and EDC flashlight on the strong side. I'm told it is "summer weight" and will need to be upgraded for fall/winter seasons, so I'm looking at another ~$45.00, unless she wants to go to leather. (note to peanut gallery - "Shut up!")

Depending on how long the vest is, you can cover an IWB/OWB, maybe a shoulder rig, or use the pocket/holster. I'm personally against the idea of trying to take a vest off anyone, but especially a female, unless I have a specific invitation to do so. AND there is no fumbling when visiting the facilities.

Just a thought.

stay safe.

skidmark
 
thanks, all. when i said i didn't want the "make the clothes fit the gun" advice, i meant i already know that's the best way to do things and that sometimes it's just not practical for a female. basically, i didn't want a bunch of simplistic replies saying things that we all already know. the posts i've read have been great, though and i appreciate it. i had to go through quite a few holster/weapon iterations before i found something that worked and i hope that i can give my baby a head start on all that.

also, skidmark, could you tell me where you found that vest? thanks.
 
also, skidmark, could you tell me where you found that vest? thanks.

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The Significant Other is really getting into vests. Just received this via e-mail & think it is a hint, but I could be wrong.

I'm gonna give up soon & just hand over my credit card. Might as well be married :eek: :barf: .

stay safe.

skidmark

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For purses and other carry clothing.

Smartcarry.com for a very useful holster, especially in hot climates. The trick here is to wear a thin undershirt (tank top) preferably of a Coolmax type of material. Good for wear with any elastic waisted skirts/pants/shorts.

And last, buy her a good 1.5" carry belt & quality holster for IWB.

Yep you're gonna spend a chunk of change to get it all, but she will notice the quality.

And for those who say NEVER purse carry, I reply, 'Just how else am I supposed to carry when I go to the OBGYN?'
 
I do not own a carry purse, although I've handled plenty.

My basic thought about carry purses is that they are generally a bad idea ... but enough other women will not carry any other way except off body, that I think it often boils down to carry in the purse VS don't carry at all. You know and I know that that's a false dilemma, but the first hurdle is to get people to carry at all. To my way of thinking this is very similar to the mousegun VS real gun dilemma -- it's a real battle for some folks, it's unfortunate, and it's unnecessary as there are plenty of options for those willing to look for them!

I've been carrying concealed for over five years now, every single day, every hour I'm awake, under normal women's clothing. I did have to choose slightly different clothing, but my style didn't change as much as you'd think. Most of what I needed was already in my closet.

Here in the soggy Pacific Northwest, even in the middle of the summer on a warm day, few people around here look twice at extra layers of loose clothes. So I can always choose the lazy option of tossing a sweatshirt or windbreaker or loose hawaiian shirt over everything else I'm wearing. Folks in other parts of the country might not have it so easy, but I'm here to tell you that baggy cover shirts sure as heck aren't your only fashion choice if you want to carry a weapon!

I carry a Glock 26 in an IWB kydex holster with a tuckable option. Frankly I don't think it's really possible to easily and fashionably conceal a weapon without the tuckable feature, but that's probably personal bias. Of the women I know who carry every single day without exception, two carry in a purse (sigh), one carries on her hip in an OWB and while she keeps it concealed she really doesn't much care if the gun flashes (ah, rural life and the glories of being able to badge your way out of trouble...), and several carry like I do with an IWB tuckable.

One thing I did early on was take a trip to GoodWill and then to some garage sales to pick up really cheap clothes -- vests, loose button-downs, skirts, etc. These clothes weren't for my normal wardrobe; they were to give me a chance to try on various styles to see what would work and what would not. Having worked with them for awhile, I was then able to go to a regular department store and easily choose clothes that would work for me.

Though I ordinarily shopped in the Petite section, I found myself drifting over to choose blouses in regular sizes after I decided to carry. This gave me an all-important extra inch or two of length at the waistband. That extra inch is often the difference between "possible" and "not possible" in an outfit that works well otherwise.

I often wear a loose blouse, tucked in, with something tossed over the top simply to break up the outlines rather than to hide the gun. The gun is already hidden by the tucked shirt, so it doesn't matter if the cover piece is cutesy short or longer.

Prints work better than solids. Material with some body works better than thin or sheer stuff. Loose is better than tight -- BUT if you like tight, you can wear something tight underneath and a loose something over it. For instance, you can wear a tight tank top paired with a pretty, summery cotton vest.

In jeans and slacks, I wanted jeans with waists that didn't come too high so I kept shopping in Petites for those. Of course, it's hard to hide a gun under hip-huggers, so that fashion trend is going to have to pass you by unless you're very creative.

I'm fortunate to have an hourglass figure, because I've always had extra room in my waistbands and frankly my jeans fit better now than they did before I started carrying. But if room for the IWB is an issue, the men's department is perfect because the jeans there are slightly bigger in the waist (room for a gun!) but because they are cut for men's rear ends, they don't look baggy in the back when you get a size that's got room in the waist.

I've got a couple of skirts to which I've added wider belt loops, and carry with my normal belt & holster under them.

Dresses are more problematic. Fortunately, I learned a few things about dresses back in the days I was nursing babies, and those things stood me in good stead when I started carrying a gun. First, dresses that are slightly loose or blousy are more comfortable and more forgiving than are dresses that are snug. Second, dresses that have some sort of opening in the front are going to give you more options than ones that do not. And finally, while wearing a really fancy dress is about the only time I think purse carry is completely justified -- but have you seen gun purses?? They sure don't go with fancy fancy clothes!

In any case, with a dress, a belly band is a girl's best friend. Move it around until it works, and get used to being slightly uncomfortable. Think of it as an extra corset, cinch it in a bit so you've got room for you & the gun under the dress. With an unloaded gun, practice drawing until you know for sure how you're going to do it. Often the easiest method is straight down the front. :eek:

They make thigh holsters and those work very well under dresses for some body types. They do not work for me, but if I were built with a little less sand in the hourglass I'd have one for sure. You'll have to choose a tiny little gun to make it work, though -- a P3AT, an NAA Guardian, a .38 snubby.

The big thing is just committing to carrying a gun. Everything else follows from that. Expect to spend some money on clothes and on different holsters until you find the combination that works for you. And because you have a wide variety of outfits, expect that sooner or later you will want more than one holster type and more than one gun size. It happens to most women.

Oh, and the best site I know of which talks about how to choose a holster is http://www.womensholsters.com/ Follow the link to "how to choose" and read it!

pax

Nearly every woman I've interviewed says finding a suitable holster falls somewhere between challenging and impossible. -- Gila Hayes
 
Not a fan of elastic-band gun "holsters" (i.e. SmartCarry or Thunderware) I wonder how quickly a woman can lift up a dress or tucked-in blouse to draw--and hey, they're not comfy against soft female skin.
The SmartCarry holster, worn correctly, goes over your unmentionables and your tucked-in blouse and under your pants or skirt. Its denim or duck cloth never touches skin at all.

The wearer simply reaches into the waistband to draw.

I agree that hiking up a dress to get at it may be challenging, unless it's a short dress!

Some tips:
  • Pleated pants conceal better
  • Heavier fabrics conceal better
  • I have added elastic to several waistbands. The elastic actually keeps the pants up, and the belt is fastened loosely, worn just for show. This leaves room to reach in and grab the gun.
 
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Matt ~

I know a couple of women who use (or have used) Thunderwear-type carry with skirts. I've done it myself, but not recently. Just as you say, the draw is from the waistband and isn't difficult. It's a pretty good solution for skirts.

I don't know any women who have successfully used Thunderwear with pants. My take on that is that you expect to see a few lumps & bumps there on a guy, and that guys' pants have to be loose there, so it works pretty well for them. Since you don't expect to see lumps there on a woman it really, really stands out if there is even the slightest bump from the pistol. Most women's pants just aren't cut to be loose enough right there to discreetly carry that way.

pax
 
My take on that is that you expect to see a few lumps & bumps there on a guy, and that guys' pants have to be loose there, so it works pretty well for them. Since you don't expect to see lumps there on a woman it really, really stands out if there is even the slightest bump from the pistol.

Good point. Lumps and bumps might make the guys ask if her name is "Lola."

It would take a certain style of baggy pants on a woman to pull that off.

Speaking of carry methods, I tried a shoulder rig. I never believed the "guys' arms are too short for their torsos" line, but, dangit, it's true! Reaching around was a stretch.

Add to that the fact that I'm left-handed: The lapels and buttons on a closed cover garment lay the wrong way. I either need to switch to (big, big) women's shirts or find another carry method!

Fortunately, I worked this out before I committed to the holster, so no addition to the failed holster drawer.
 
Mother was a "flapper girl." She used to carry a BHP in a thigh holster. Once, while dancing with the US Marshall, the strap came loose and the piece, holster and all came down on his foot. He just picked it up and dropped it in his pocket. When they returned to the table, he handed it to her and never said a word :D

Yes, this was a few years ago.

Pops
 
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