Carrying into Canada

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My family is planning a trip to Minnesota and Canada in a couple of months and I am unfamiliar with laws pertaining to concealed carry in Canada. Does anyone here have any experience or made a recent trip to Canada while carrying concealed?

I am a POST certified LEO in Missouri and I am always carrying whether on duty or not. I am not too concerned with Minnesota law as I am able to carry there. Just not sure if I am "ok" to carry concealed into Canada.

Thanks for any help.
 
I don't know much.

But I know you won't be carrying any gun across the border into Canada.

You can't even transport a handgun into Canada on your way to the state of Alaska to hunt, or live there.

Don't even try it!!!

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I am not doubting the information you have given me but do you know where to find the laws that outline what you have said?
 
Thanks for the link. After reading through it a little, I am not sure what all falls under a prohibited firearm exactly.

Section 84(1)a of the Criminal Code states that a prohibited firearm is a firearm whose barrel is less than 105mm or 4.13 inches. It also specifically mentions .25 and .32 caliber handguns.

Does that mean that if I carried my .40 XD(m) I would be ok? I would obviously have to fill out the proper paperwork and get it approved by a chief firearms officer.
 
Thats the issue you wont get approval as a US Citizen. I have traveled through Canada 4 times with firearms. They have made it very clear that a handgun will not be one of those firearms. BIL had to mail his when moving back from Alaska.
 
That's what I figured. It's one of those discretionary things where I would always end up on the short end, a.k.a denied my request. Thanks
 
Many long guns are possible to transport into Canada. The barrel must be at least 18" in length.

Here is some pertinent information.

Americans taking guns into Canada or transporting guns through Canada to Alaska need to know that the Canadian government has - -and enforces -- very strict gun control laws that must be followed by U.S. citizens taking firearms into Canada.
 
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The closest you can carry your handgun into Canada is to the US Border patrol/US Customs office. They will (as a courtesy) hold an active LEO firearm till your return from Canada. Call the border where you plan to cross to make sure that office will do it.

The Canadian Border Patrol might give leeway and not seize your firearm if you try entry, but will deny entry.

Please remember, Canadian gunlaws are very screwy and strict, the RCMP doesn't play well. Before I forget, enjoy your stay.
 
One more thing, watch what knife you carry. If it can be opened with one hand, it is a switchblade as far as they are concerned. I carried a Buck 110 folder that if you held the tip of the blade and flipped hard enough it would open on the third try. If I hadn't known one of the officers, well you can figure the rest.
 
Somehow I suspect Canada couldn't care less that you're a cop in the USA.
 
And I am aware of one instance wherein a Florida officer had his firearm seized by Canadian Customs.......they didn't charge that officer but seized and sent his gun back to his agency!

Unless you have prior approval you'd be foolish to attempt entry.
 
That was the point of my original question. I didn't say that I intended on sneaking a gun into Canada at any point. I am trying to do the right thing and research the laws before I make the trip into Canada. Just to clarify, I don't consider myself a "cop" either, my job is definitely quite a bit different.

Thanks for the heads up about a knife as well kanook. That is something that I probably wouldn't have thought of.

It is sounding like the best option is going to be leaving my firearm in the cabin in Minnesota during our time in Canada. I don't know that I want to mess with a customs agent "holding onto" my firearm while I am in Canada, but might look into it nonetheless.
 
So what process is there for U.S. law enforcement or anyone else to be able to carry in Canada and other countries? I found this interesting thread called "Carrying in Foreign Country".

http://forums.officer.com/t122276/

One of the posts said that in Mexico, the Los Angeles cops where told to leave their guns in the U.S. But when they got to Mexico, they were allowed to use the Mexican Police weapons. http://forums.officer.com/t122276/#post1838720


Here they talk about Federal Agencies with diplomatic passports.
http://forums.officer.com/t122276/#post1839708

And this one where they talk about some 50 year old treaty with Canada
http://forums.officer.com/t122276/#post1839916


And here is more about "Diplomatic Immunity" and "Certified Diplomat" and the ability to carry. What is interesting to note, this based on international treaty.
http://forums.officer.com/t122276/#post1844324

"A certified diplomat can carry whatever the heck they want on their person, and there is nothing you can do about it, even in Canada. The US or any country can certify any employee as a diplomat fairly easily as some sort of liaison. Diplomatic inmunity is not granted by the laws of your country, they are granted by international treaties that people way above your and my pay grade signed long long ago."

While none of this is applicable in carrying in Canada with a U.S. permit. It does provide some insight on how it could be done through other channels.
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You can't even transport a handgun into Canada on your way to the state of Alaska to hunt, or live there.

Yes, this is generally true for "carry type" handguns, however exceptions MIGHT be made on a case-by-case basis for "hunting type" handguns - for example a 629 with an 8 inch barrel, etc. But in order to even attempt to get such an exception, you would need to call the RCMP CFP folks several months prior to crossing the border to see if it would be possible.

Here is a general link for them: http://www.rcmp.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/information/visit/index-eng.htm
 
I thought I read something recently where you required some sort of Federal paperwork to transport a firearm out of the US.
 
Somehow I suspect Canada couldn't care less that you're a cop in the USA.
Many years ago my BIL was active duty DEA and working out of the Detroit office. He took my wife and SIL across the border to Windsor for lunch and some afternoon shopping. He forgot he was carrying as he was required to carry at all times. I don't remember how he got in without getting popped, but he fessed up at the border station on the way back. The Canadian authorities were, to say the least, not pleased and there were a lot of phone calls flying between Windsor, Detroit, Ottawa, and DC as a result.
 
Crazy Canadian Weapon Laws

In 1989 my wife and I went up into northern Ontario, crossing the border at the Intl Peace Garden in N. Dakota. We were pulling a camping trailer and the border agent was training a new trainee so she decided to basic search of the trailer and our truck. I had my baton on the back floor of the truck, it was just a strait baton made from oak. When the agent so it she asked me about it and I told her what is was. She asked what it was and I explained I how it was used and that i was a police officer.

With that information she proceeded to really search the truck and the trailer including my wife's purse. She was convinced I had a pistol with me and she was going to find it. I did not have pistol, but I did have a shotgun I had declared. She got her supervisor who told me since the agent had not asked about the baton I would not be charged with a weapons charge but I could not take the baton into Canada and had to leave it there and I could pick it up when I left the country.

I found this situation to be crazy. I could take the shotgun but not the baton because it was a weapon but the shotgun was ok because we would be in bear country. Be very careful about what you have with you when trying to enter Canada
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Speedo66 said:
I thought I read something recently where you required some sort of Federal paperwork to transport a firearm out of the US.

Not to Canada, TMK. Unless something has just changed, long guns are still allowed into the provinces, providing they meet the Canadian standards on models and barrel length.
 
From an email I received from a friend who arranges hunting trips all over the world:
This becomes effective April 3 (today)

US Changes - The most important change is that April 3 you will be required to have gotten an ITN number and associated paperwork to take your gun out of the country. This is from our government deciding to enforce a ruling from 2012. While we are hopeful this stupidity will be overturned, being in the know is better than being in the dark. The following is from the offices of SCI, who are working to challenge it, but it doesn't change things at the moment.



Any time a person departs the United States by any means or method of transportation, and is traveling with firearms and/or ammunition in their possession, the person must comply with all applicable laws and regulations governing the lawful exportation of these controlled items.


All persons who intend to travel from the United States to a foreign country with firearms and/or ammunition are reminded that both the permanent and temporary exportation of these items are subject to federal export licensing regulations. The export regulations for handguns, rifles, associated parts and components, and related ammunition are found in the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR) administered by the Department of State’s Directorate of Defense Trade Controls (DDTC). The export regulations for sporting shotguns (barrel length of 18 inches or more), muzzle loading firearms, associated parts and components, and related ammunition are found in the Export Administration Regulations (EAR) administered by the Department of Commerce’s Bureau of Industry and Security (BIS).


Export regulations require that prior to traveling outside the United States with firearms and/or ammunition all departing persons must obtain a valid and appropriate DDTC or BIS export license or qualify for a valid DDTC license exemption under 22 C.F.R. 123.17 - 123.18 or a valid BIS license exception under 15 C.F.R. 740.14(e).


Before exporting any firearms and/or ammunition with a valid DDTC or BIS export license or a qualifying license exemption, the traveler, or an agent acting on the traveler’s behalf, must file the Electronic Export Information (EEI) using the Automated Export System (AES) or the Internet-based system AESDirectwhich is publicly availableand free of charge. In addition to filing the EEI in AES or AESDirect prior to export, all firearms, ammunition and additional mandatory documentation (e.g., certifications, foreign import permits, proof of AES filing; such as the Internal Transaction Number) must be presented to U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) authorities for visual inspection at the port of departure from the United States.


Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) is the primary federal law enforcement agency responsible for investigating international smuggling operations and enforcing U.S. export control laws. Failure to comply with the federal regulations governing the temporary and permanent export of firearms and/or ammunition from the United States (including the proper filing of EEI) may result in the detention, seizure, and forfeiture of improperly declared firearms and ammunition and could further subject the traveler to arrest and criminal prosecution by HSI special agents for violation of federal export and/or arms smuggling laws.

The bottom line to all this is, either you go to AESDirect (see above) and go through a lot of time and effort (I did it, and I have an EIN) to register yourself, or you get a Customs Broker to do it for you. Gil Ash of OSP and I have been working on this and Gil found a great Customs Broker who can handle your gun paperwork for $50. You will need to contact Coppersmith Inc. Global Logistics. Contact Jackie O'Connor, [email protected], and she will provide you, in an email, the information forms she needs and handle it for you.



Those of us who are going to Argentina late next month are hoping that legislation will transpire this month to avoid having to do this, but $50 isn't much to make sure you get your favorite firearm on the plane the day you plan on leaving and you don't have a hassle with CBP at the airport. Just so you understand both Gil and I have been working this issue, I drove to Raleigh, about 1 1/2 hours to locate Customs and Border Patrol and talk to them about this. They were very nice; they did know about it; it was a measure to stop people from taking guns to Mexico and selling them; said this was all new to them too; said they inherited it from Homeland Security; said the weren't sure exactly how it would be handled; and most importantly, "Yes, you would need the appropriate papers."



Okay, on a more energetic note, Argentina has dropped the requirement of registering you Over and Unders with the Consulate. We are still hoping for some change to the semi auto requirement, but I haven't heard anything positive yet. I will keep everyone informed.
 
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