Casless ammo for the M1 Garand ??

[eclancy]

Gentlemen,
While working in the M1 Garand files I ran across two files that cover a DREAM that the US ARMY has being looking at for a long time. Caseless AMMO. If Ordnance got it back then maybe there would be NO PING during WW2. READ the files and check the dates. The answer file from Ordnance gives us good data. I hope you enjoy.
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[jonnyc]

The German caseless was a 7.92 bullet with a compressed powder body. It was never adopted or issued. Frankford Arsenal did some experimentation with caseless 7.62 bullets, but I think it was all post-war. I never heard of an M1 chambered for any of these cartridges, but anything is possible.
If you don't mind, I'm going to post a link to this thread on the forum of the International Ammunition Assoc., (cartridgecollectors.org).

 

[eclancy]

Gentlemen,
My point was that Ordnance was talking about caseless ammo that early. There were no plans for any US ammo. It just seems that all the work that they are doing now might have been done a long time ago.

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ps Remember, Germany during WW 2 had the formula for synthetic fuel???
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[walking arsenal]

The problem you run across with this caseless ammo concept is what to do with the heat. When a traditional case is fired it takes a lot of the heat with it when it's ejected.

Anyone who has had a bit of hot brass down the shirt knows this.

When caseless is burned the heat goes directly to the chamber walls so the gun heats up way faster.


Still, if they could get past the cooling problem it seems like a good idea.

 

[Tony Williams]

It seems that Dynamit Nobel made a good job of dealing with the cook-off problem, by developing a propellant which would only ignite at very high temperatures. This was incorporated in the caseless HK G11, which seemed to work pretty well - it was apparently about to be adopted by the German Army when the Wall came down.

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[O.F.Fascist]

Just incase anyone is confused by the use of "inflammable" in the first letter.

Apparently back in the day it was used to mean "flammable."

IIRC combustible stuff was labeled "inflammable" because you were not supposed to supposed to use an open flame around it because it was flammable.

Because too many people were mistaking it for meaning that it couldnt be burned eventually it got changed to the modern use of "flammable."

 

[Tony Williams]

Be warned - inflammable still means 'combustible' in British English, and is the general useage here (although 'flammable' is gaining ground in technical use, because of the possibility of misunderstanding).

My dictionary explains that flammable and inflammable mean the same: in this case, the 'in-' prefix isn't a negative, the word is short for 'inflame-able'. The opposite to this is 'nonflammable.'

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[Selfdfenz]

eclancy

Very interesting. I agree the fact our people were considering this prior to Pearl Harbor is very interesting.

On a side note: Given a few months time, I bet we would have gotten an entirely different opinion as to whether there was brass shortage?

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[walking arsenal]

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[Tony Williams]

"Inflammable means flammable? What is this world coming to?" Doctor Nick

It's just in the same mess as usual

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