CATO's Robert Levy on DC v Heller, oral arguments heard 18 March

[TexasRifleman]

proficiency testing - as long as it is not structured to prevent gun ownership, how is this all that bad? remember the well regulated part.

Well the CMP has a good system for that in place already if you just really insist that it needs to be there.

 

[ctdonath]

The Founding Fathers implemented "well regulated" as training which one would get after obtaining suitable (enumerated) equipment and then registering age and armaments - hardly like today's practical prohibition involving convincing others of worthiness of exercising RKBA before being allowed to.

 

[riverdog]

Diamondback,
I think you meant Second vice Fourth.

 

[Diamondback]

Diamondback,
I think you meant Second vice Fourth.

.....whoops.....corrected. Thank you riverdog !

- regards

 

[Alexfubar]

They seem to have missed a part I find interesting :

" ..... SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. "

Paying for an LTC is an infringement. I don't pay the .gov for my right to any thing else in the BOR. I want refund.

National Reciprocity. My marriage & drivers licenses ... as well as my right to go to church or post on the web are valid in all 50 states. The Fed,State, & local LEO's approved my LTC/CCW. WHy is it invalid in more states than not ?

 

[gaston_45]

Which provisions he suggested are reasonable do you have a real objection to?

registration - been in place since 1968. every time you buy a gun at a dealer.

proficiency testing - as long as it is not structured to prevent gun ownership, how is this all that bad? remember the well regulated part.

instant checks - do you prefer non-instant checks?

wmd? be real.

prohibiting gun ownership by those who are unable to use them wisely? how is that bad?

"Taking away the vote

Denying black men the right to vote through legal maneuvering and violence was a first step in taking away their civil rights. Beginning in the 1890s, southern states enacted literacy tests, poll taxes, elaborate registration systems, and eventually whites-only Democratic Party primaries to exclude black voters. "

http://americanhistory.si.edu/Brown/history/1-segregated/white-only-1.html

Huh, I thought I had heard of that kind of thing before. History is not always your friend, especially when you forget it and support the repeat of the stupid parts.

 

[ceetee]

The innocent until proven guilty thing only applies within the confines of a criminal trial. It has nothing whatsoever to do with any other venue or circumstance.

Not always true. People are generally considered to be sane, and of good character until sworn testimony can show otherwise. Doesn't matter if it's a criminal court, probate court, or competancy hearing. Unless you can show that a person is insane or otherwise not competant (or inelegible), then that person should have the right to CCW. Period. The only way that right should be infringed is if that person has shown by his behavior that not only has he abused this right in the past, but he has a propensity to abuse the right in the future.

 

[ilbob]

People are generally considered to be sane, and of good character until sworn testimony can show otherwise.

The standard of proof for insanity is quite low compared to that for guilt. In fact, it is often the unsupported opinion of a single individual, many times with no opposing opinion even permitted.

 

[divemedic]

A shooting test- I read a story about how literacy exams in the south went. A black man walked into a Georgia courthouse to register for the vote. For his literacy exam, he was handed a newspaper and told to read the headline.

The newspaper was written in Chinese. The black man said: "The headline of this here paper says that ain't no ni**as gonna vote in Georgia."

Think the same thing won't happen with respect to guns? Check out the CCW issue procedures in NY or NJ and see.

 

[alan]

divemedic writes:

A shooting test- I read a story about how literacy exams in the south went. A black man walked into a Georgia courthouse to register for the vote. For his literacy exam, he was handed a newspaper and told to read the headline.

The newspaper was written in Chinese. The black man said: "The headline of this here paper says that ain't no ni**as gonna vote in Georgia."

Think the same thing won't happen with respect to guns? Check out the CCW issue procedures in NY or NJ and see.

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One thing never ceases to amaze me, that being as follows. That some people simply do not realize how difficult is the life and work of bureaucrats and political types, who struggle to protect man from his baser instincts, not to mention protecting him from the vagaries of individual liberties and freedom, all for his own good, of course. It's sad, really sad, don't you think?

 

[Henry Bowman]

Sad indeed, alan.

My marriage & drivers licenses ... as well as my right to go to church or post on the web are valid in all 50 states.

Actually, that's not so. Your Ohio marriage license is not valid in Iowa. You cannot get married in Iowa with an Ohio marriage license. Your Ohio certificate of marriage is, however, recognized in Iowa. That is "full faith and credit." Iowa recognizes that you were married in Ohio.

The states have agreed to give reciprocity to each others' drivers licenses. While it might interfere with interstate commerce for a state not to, we have not been faced with that case (on a noncommercial level). I would also point out that commercial drivers licenses and commercial vehicle registrations (which are tax revenue schemes) are not so universal. That is why you sometimes will see 18-wheelers (or even taxis) with license plates from more than one state or endorsement stickers (representing tax payment) on the side of the cab.

 

[ilbob]

They seem to have missed a part I find interesting :

" ..... SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. "

The 2A is the only place in the constitution where the word "infringed" is used. That gives a lot of room for the SC to decide what it means.

Incidentally, it is also used once in the articles of confederation. In that case it was in the context of infringing the powers of states, as opposed to individuals.