CCW a Glock 19, safety?

[Roadwild17]

I’m interested in carrying a Glock 19 for ccw, but I have some issues with the safety. It would really not serve the true purpose of a ccw gun if it cant be wore daily with a round chambered. Is this safe, or should I look into getting an SA/DA gun?

 

[Krag]

I have carried Glocks daily for over a decade. Practice with your pistol, get a quality holster and practice more. The Glock is as safe to carry as a DA revolver so what's your concern?

 

[HighVelocity]

A good holster and good trigger finger control are all you need to worry about. Of course that's true when carrying any firearm.
Just be sure that you're professional enough to carry it.

 

[jc2]

Probably.

I would recommend at a bare minimum the installation of a Glock NY1 trigger spring (which has the added benefit of replacing a small part that is prone to breakage with a more durable and reliable part).

I would also recommend you consider having a Comminolli safety installed

http://www.cominolli.com/glocksafety.htm

It will address most of the concerns many people have expressed with the Glock's potential (or maybe propensity) for handling errors.

http://www.cominolli.com/postnews2.pdf

 

[Bobby Lee]

Your Glock IS basicaly a DA and it can not fire without a trigger pull.

It is safe if you are.

 

[jc2]

Yes, the Glock is safe.

Yes, the Glock is a DAO.

BUT when you throw in the short, light trigger stroke of Glock, couple with no warnings (e.g., hammer movement, cylinder rotation, etc.) you have a design that lends itself to operator errors more than most other designs.

A NY1 trigger spring and/or the Cominolli safety reduce the chance for operator error--particularly in administrative handling like holstering, drawing and reholstering (and adjusting/re-positioning the weapon when carrying concealed--particularly IWB).

 

[CurtM]

The trigger pull is part of what made me decide on a Walther P99 AS. I can carry with a round chambered and know that I've got to really try to pull the trigger before anything will happen. I've practiced with that first pull so that it's something I know to expect, and everything after takes only a quick SA trigger pull. I carry in a Smartcarry, and I keep my finger away from that little lever that makes it go bang.

 

[eerw]

Glock 19 is a great little CCW..I carried one for a couple of years with an NY1 trigger in it...

my brother decided he wanted more..so he ended up with it..

 

[Rockstar]

Another advantage of the NY trigger is loss of accuracy, which, of course, is really desirable in a weapon upon which one trusts one's life. The aftermarket safety idea is just plain silly. NYC cops carry Glocks, most of whom have never even seen a handgun prior to their being hired by NYPD.

There's nothing "magic" about handgun safety. The addition of a manual safety will just be another gadget that'd be more inclined to get you killed in an emergency than to keep you from shooting yourself in the leg in an act of idiocy.

 

[WT]

Adequate training, a good holster, and proper handling should effectively negate the chance of accidental discharge. The G19 is an excellent pistol.

 

[triggertime]

As with all firearms, the 'safety' is located between your ears, its not limited to a mechanical device. In otherwords, you shouldn't be dependent upon a mechanical device to subtitute for your own common sense.

Glock handguns are safe to carry with a round in the chamber, as long as you keep your booger hook off the bang switch and keep the gun in a quality holster that throughly encloses the triggerguard.

 

[eerw]

The NY1 trigger that I had was only a heavy spring on the trigger..effectively just a heavier trigger..no manual safety..so that is confusing to me...haven't had a glock in my hands for a few years..as other things I rather carry..

but definitely..the G19 is an adequate gun for CCW..
good training is a must for CCW..

 

[jc2]

Another advantage of the NY trigger is loss of accuracy, which, of course, is really desirable in a weapon upon which one trusts one's life. The aftermarket safety idea is just plain silly. NYC cops carry Glocks, most of whom have never even seen a handgun prior to their being hired by NYPD.

There's more than just a little bad information in the above paragraph.

First, the NY1 trigger does not effect accuracy one way or another. The weapon is just as accurate with the NY1 installed as it is with the the coil spring installed. Frankly, I much prefer the trigger feel and pull with the NY1 over that of the coil spring. That, and the fact that it is more durable (reliable) than the coil spring, are really icing on the cake.

Secondly, the NYPD Glocks are modified to provide a more resistance on the trigger pull. They are most definitely not stock (a little over five pound) triggers. If anything, the citing of the NYPD is a good argument for a NY1 trigger spring.

 

[frenchwrench]

I've carried my Glock 23 & 27 IWB for the past four years and have had no problems. It's all in your head....use it. The must have , is a quality holster that totally covers the trigger, and the ability to keep your finger off the trigger until you have decided to shoot.

 

[Curare]

If trigger pull is not a factor in practical accuracy then why do many target/competition guns have light triggers?

The bottom line is to keep your bugger hook off the bang button until you are ready to unleash hell.

 

[txmason]

I have carried for 31 years as LEO and CCW and will only carry 1911, If I purchase a Glock in the future it will be equipped with a Cominolli safety.

 

[jc2]

The must have , is a quality holster that totally covers the trigger,

That's for sure--when it comes to Glocks, that is every bit as much a safety device as the Cominolli safety!

 

[AlaskaErik]

I've carried my Glock 23 & 27 IWB for the past four years and have had no problems. It's all in your head....use it. The must have , is a quality holster that totally covers the trigger, and the ability to keep your finger off the trigger until you have decided to shoot.

I couldn't have said it any better myself. That's exactly how I keep from having negligent discharges. No silly add-on safeties for me either.

Erik

 

[UltimaSE]

I had the same misgivings when I originally began ccwing a sig.

One of my friends told me:
If you're mistrusting the sig to fire when you don't want it to, then you are mistrusting the same mechanism that you are trusting to keep you alive when you need it. If you can't trust it, then what are you doing carrying it?

My take, It's a gun, a tool, it will fire if the trigger is pulled, it is not it's responsibility to make sure that does not happen, it is yours.

Made sense to me, I have no problems carrying it everyday.

UltimaSE

 

[jc2]

BUT chances are your SIG (at least for the first shot) requires:

1. more than a half inch of trigger travel
2. more than than a little over five pounds pressure on the trigger
3. has a hammer which you can feel and see moving
4. has a hammer on which to rest your thumb when holstering and/or adjusting your SIG in the waistband.

Those four points make a big difference.

 

[carebear]

Holster that covers trigger, finger off trigger til ready to fire.

Safe as houses when loaded, in fact, you can throw it, loaded, off of houses in either condition in perfect safety.

With minor, pick the right holster for re-holstering, caveat. (I don't like thumbbreaks in any event, for any handgun. YMMV

edited to add: I will occasionally find at the end of the day that somehow or another the thumb safety on my BHP has come off mysteriously. That means I had a MUCH lighter (and better) trigger in "Glock" condition with no problem.

It is nothing but a mental comfort issue, so don't let it throw you. If it does, I'd just get a gun with a thumb safety rather than chopping up a coherent design. Besides, you probably won't have such a thick piece of steel to haul around.

 

[10-Ring]

IMHO, the key to carrying your Glock 19 safely lies in you & your choice of a QUALITY holster. You need to devote quality practice time with it & don't skimp on your coice of holsters!
Good luck!

 

[UltimaSE]

BUT chances are your SIG (at least for the first shot) requires:

1. more than a half inch of trigger travel
2. more than than a little over five pounds pressure on the trigger
3. has a hammer which you can feel and see moving
4. has a hammer on which to rest your thumb when holstering and/or adjusting your SIG in the waistband.

Those four points make a big difference.

Not to argue but...

1. If you're pulling the trigger it's going to fire, regardless of how much travel there is. The amount of trigger travel is hardly a safety mechanism. Nor should you treat it as such, someone who has the mentality that "I can pull this trigger this far and not have it fire," is setting himself or herself up for disaster. Where is your trigger finger? you should know at all times, it definately shouldn't be in the guard unless you're going to shoot.

2. Five pounds really isn't that much more than 3.5 or whatever it is for glocks now. If you can produce 3.5 lbs, 5 lbs isn't much more. If you pull the trigger it will fire, how much pressure it takes really isn't a consideration, if you're safe then you're safe regardless if a trigger has a 2 lbs trigger or 50 lbs trigger. If this was really an argument then we would expect every carry weapon or any weapon for that matter to have 100 lbs trigger to ensure that they'd only go off when someone was in the mist of an adrenaline rush, and even then it would be ineffective.

3. If you're pulling the trigger it's going to fire, the fact that one pistol has a hammer versus another that does not mean it's another safety mechanism. Yes you can see it, yes you probably can even feel it (ouch) but I can't remember the last time I went shooting and I openly looked for the hammer to come back. I might be different of course.

4. My finger nor should anyone else's finger be in the trigger guard while holstering. Guns fire when there's ammo and the trigger is pulled, that's it. If someone manages to shoot themselves holstering because they've got their finger where it doesn't belong it's hardly the weapon's fault. Even while adjusting my iwb I know my sig isn't going to go off, because my iwb covers the entire trigger guard and trigger and I know where my finger is. Now do I put my thumb on the hammer while holstering? I just started doing so because it's not a bad idea. But does that mean I was unsafe holstering before?

once again, it's a gun, a tool, it will fire if the trigger is pulled, it is not it's responsibility to make sure that does not happen, it is yours.

likewise, it's a hammer, a tool, it won't strike a nail without you initiating the motion, if you choose to initiate the motion while sensative parts of your body are in the way, it's hardly the tool's fault.

Those four points make no difference. If you're attentive and safe handling one gun you should be safe and attentive handling others.

UltimaSE

 

[Texshooter]

Glocks are no where near as safe to carry as a DA revolver. The trigger pull is tremendously lighter. I am not saying it is bad, but I would venture a guess that more Glocks have discharged from inadvertant "reholstering interference" than any firearm in history. For crying out loud, at the Glock factory training seminars they warn you never to reach for a Glock if you drop it, so you must teach yourself to not do what is natural.

Yes, they are simple. Most Americans are not totally stupid, especially those smart enough to take responsibility for protecting their own hide and that of their loved ones. Austrians, Iraq police, yeah they may be dumb enough to have to operate that kind of system.

 

[carebear]

Is there a firearm out there where it is recommended that you should try to catch if you drop it?

Again, that's hardly a "Glock specific" issue.

Not trying to pick or prolong a fight but the whole "no external safety" thing is purely a personal opinion issue.

Finger off the trigger makes all guns equally safe, no shooter should be complacent enough to depend on a mechanical safety to replace absolute adherence to that rule.