CCW and Job Interviews - What to DO?

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"Of course, if carry isn't allowed, they'll be sued also."

Possibly, however there will not be a paper trail to help indicate (not nessicarily even prove, but just indicate) willful endangerment or knowingly putting employees in what could be coustrued (by idoits in a jury) to be a 'threatening or dangerous' workplace.

If they say anything, it can be used against them.

It is also extremely hard to prove the converse, "If so and so had had his CCW piece at work, HE WOULD HAVE LIVED." "oh really? you so sure?" "er, well, crystal ball is in the shop, so no."

It's a stupid litigeous-happy world we live in.
 
"Of course, if carry isn't allowed, they'll be sued also."

Maybe, maybe not. There are no absolutes. Insurance is about managing risk, which means balancing probabilities. In the pizza delivery shooting that just occurred, the delivery guy's employer prohibited carry and fired him for carrying. They are much less likely to be sued than if they had permitted or encouraged concealed carry. That doesn't mean they won't be sued, but it is less likely.

If you don't get anything else out of this thread, GET the meaning of that line I underlined.



And if they are sued, they have a defense. "Hey! WE didn't allow him to carry that gun! See? Right here in our written policy, we said no to guns! And we mean it, too! We fired him! So don't blame US - blame HIM! He broke our rules!"

Hoplophobia aside (and yes, that is real) having that defense available to them is the reason for anti-gun policies that rule in corporations. To find a lawyer that would advise otherwise, I suspect you'd have to find a hard-corp 2A advocate in lawyer's clothing.


Even then, a GOOD lawyer would advise them of the likely legal consequences of allowing guns.
 
My employer only has 2 written policies: Sexual Harrassment and Illegal Drug Use. There is no written policy regarding weapons of any sort. There is, however, small lettering on the bottom of exterior doors that say "No Weapons Allowed." I work for a company that, while we have over 1000 employees worldwide, only have around 100 in our home office here in Dallas. My immediate supervisor is the Vice President, and I have an open door to the President.

When one of the sheep in staffing decided that she was worried that we don't have an actual policy banning handguns on the premises, HR was forced to consider the issue. Being the resident "gun nut," the Pres, VP and HR queen called me in to get my thoughts on the issue. The Pres started it out by telling me not to tell him if I carry to work. He then asked what my thoughts on banning guns from the premises. I told him that if he did that, he would be taking responsibility for the safety of all the employees, since he'd be taking away their ability to choose to defend themselves. I told him that my wife has specific instructions to sue my employer if I'm disarmed and killed on premises. He stared up at the ceiling for a minute and asked if there's anything good about banning guns. I told him he's only disarming people that follow rules. I asked him if someone's going to shoot the place up, if he thought that they would concern themselves with an HR policy.

Later he called me to tell me that their insurance company, as well as 2 others they called, would not insure them if they did not have a weapons policy.

Basically, now we have a don't ask, don't tell policy. They left the lettering on the door, but they have not put an actual policy in writing. The VP (who had an FFL and reloaded to put himself through college but doesn't shoot now) told me that the Pres said no one's going to get in trouble for carrying, but if done right, no one would know anyway.

I think that's about the most you can expect from an employer these days. I think the only thing that stood between me and an official OK to carry was the insurance company.
 
TechBrute,
How about suggestion that they set up a policy of "No Illegal weapons at work. That leaves them covered but also leaves an out for those that legally carry. Makes both the Insurance Co. and the sheep dogs happy.
 
The insurance company said no guns, knives, CS, etc. It's not enforced, but apparently the company seems to thing that the lettering on the door is sufficient. I carry a 4" Voyager clipped to my front pocket in plain view, and both the Pres and VP have asked to borrow it at one point or another. I think it's about as good as it's going to get. I'm not sure pushing the issue would accomplish anything. The only positive would be making some sort of statement. It opens the door back up for lots of negatives, though.
 
I don't know where you live, Werewolf, but I think the Tulsa P.D. and the Texas State troopers are both hiring. Pay is not great, but you can carry all the time!
 
I don't know where you live, Werewolf, but I think the Tulsa P.D. and the Texas State troopers are both hiring. Pay is not great, but you can carry all the time!

OKC - and even if I weren't too old for it being a police officer is not a profession I would consider.

Actually I'm a Financial Analyst. Getting bored where I'm at now and not having gotten a raise in 3 years due to a salary freeze is about all the excuse I need to start looking elsewhere. Haven't made up my mind for sure yet because it's just so laid back and easy where I'm at now but then that's part of the reason the job is getting boring.

Based on all the responses it seems that few if any medium to large companies are CCW friendly. Since few small companies demand the type of skills I posess I'm pretty much stuck going with a medium to large company which it seems pretty much rules out CCW at work.

Ces' la vie as the saying goes.
 
Policy is just policy- it doesn't mean you necessarily would lose your job.

My work has a policy in it's manual that says that no weapons will be brough onto work premises. It specifies guns and knives.

My company also has very strict policies on tardiness, vacation and personal time.

Penalties for both are "up to and including termination" ("Immediate termination" in the case of weapons).

Yet in reality, no one tracks my vacation time whatsoever (I know the HR person very well) and it's pretty much up to the honor system to not slack off too much. I daresay that if I were caught carrying at work, and the CEO called me on it, he'd just tell me to cut it out and don't do it again.

Then again, I'm a sort of critical person there. (Not a manager though)

-James
 
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