Open carry at job interview

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How many of you would open carry to a job interview?

I'm not bashing open carry, the point is that we well recognize that open carry of a gun to a job interview may not even be allowed. The company policy could well be stated on the front door - No Guns. Our intuition would tell us that those in charge of our selection might have an extreme bias about guns - we sense they may not be gun-friendly. And we want the job. No sense "shooting ourselves in the foot." We got an interview, we aren't there to blow the opportunity.

I believe, in fact, that a lot of us would be pleasantly surprised to even get considered for a job that obviously had guns on the property. Our experiences in life would have us already aware that there is an extreme bias against guns in the workplace.

When was the last time you saw a gun openly carried in a retail chain by an employee who wasn't working security or near a firearms display?

Pretty rare, isn't it?

Employees aren't allowed to have guns on company property, by and large, coming to an interview with one would be considered by many to be an indication they aren't sharp enough to get the job. "What, are you kidding, you open carried to the interview? You applied for a job posting photo shoot appointments for a kiosk on the Mall! You don't need no stinking gun for that!"

Of course no one would show up holstered. We already know and accept Corporate bias against our 2A rights, and we acquiesce to get the job. Tuck our tail in and mumble a lot of pleasant agreeances nosing up.

Oh, yes we do. We are trying to sell ourselves and don't want any perceived negatives. We know that "gun" is negative - extremely so. In fact, if the next 100,000 citizens came to a job interview WITH a gun, it would hit the media so fast there would be concerns about a revolution. People would be hiding in their offices, and hiring would come to a halt.

A lot of people think the .gov is against them and their 2A rights. Not really - just show up with a holstered gun for a job interview and see where your rights are REALLY being restricted. In fact, just don't, until you really figure it out, because if the idea is that attractive, we don't need another gun rights poster child making our case in the public forum.

It's that bad, lets start recognizing it for what it is - most people really don't have a gun within eyesight most of their lives, and when they do see one, it's not a pleasant situation. Like seeing the nurse handling a hypodermic syringe at your doctors appointment, we get to wondering what is happening next.

It takes a lot of time and effort to overcome that - if you do open carry, keep that in mind when and where you do. There very much IS a problem with the public seeing guns, and blindly disregarding it can be extremely unprofitable.

Which is why the majority of us never even mention guns during the hiring process, and many tend to rewrite previous work experience to reduce the impact.

It's real, and we aren't stupid. But it is a good indicator of how far we are from real open carry.
 
We already know and accept Corporate bias against our 2A rights, and we acquiesce to get the job.
Because that is their right. They are not bound by the constitution in the same way as the government.

A lot of people think the .gov is against them and their 2A rights. Not really
Again, the constitution only limits the government's restriction of our rights. A private citizen or company is free to limit any of those rights they please. There is no freedom of speech either at work either. Nor, by and large, an expectation of privacy. But you give up both of those quickly enough to get the job.

So I guess my biggest question is, what's your point? We sell out all manner of thing for a pay check.
 
What idiot would open carry at a job interview? (Presuming that he's there to get the job, not to make a statement.) Most companies would throw him right off the premises, and he wouldn't even get to square one.
 
The reason so many companies have a no gun policy is not that they are anti gun. Most insurance groups look into company policies and allowing guns on property raises the chance of an ND on property, and makes it easier for a disgruntled worker to retaliate with a weapon. Insurance premiums go up. Because of this most companies post the no gun sticker and take the cut insurance rate and never bother enforcing that policy. For retail businesses you also get public traffic which may contain some people who are afraid of guns or are true antis who wouldn't shop there if the workers had iron on the hip. So retail stores get hit twice by allowing guns...higher insurance premium as well as reduced customer base.

Now, on to your idea of interviewing open carry. If a person goes to an interview smoking a joint they will not be hired because of the drug policy. If a person goes to an interview grabbing peoples crotches they won't get the job for sexual harassment policy issues. If a person demonstrates that they will have to be disciplined into following policy, then it is harder on the company to turn them into a valuable team-member. Carrying to an interview is the same. Some will make it clear that policy is no guns on property and continue the interview. Others see the liability and call it right there. Either way you are knowingly reducing your chance of getting the job you "seek" so you would probably be dismissed as one of the career unemployed who apply for jobs regularly with no intention of getting the job so that they can keep getting unemployment.

I see no upside to applying for a job and open carrying at the interview. Plenty reasons against it.
 
As an employer, I pay a lot of money for insurance. Allowing employees to carry on the job makes me the deep pockets that lawyers will go after when a shooting occurs on my premises. The only anti thing here is anti-bankruptcy.
 
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Open carry at a job interview.... sounds like one of the dumbest stunts I can imagine if you actually want the job. This would be even more significant than being late to an interview or wearing improper clothing for the workplace.
 
Open Carry except when afield is a political statement, not a self defense strategy.

If you want to limit yourself to low aspiration jobs, like clerk (while probably not getting hired even for that), feel free to make political statements in job interviews. This has nothing to do with RKBA political statements either, it's de rigeur to simply stay away from any politics. If you see a framed Cap & Ball pistol behind the Presidents desk, you "might" use that for the 90 seconds of small talk that's the accepted limit before getting down to business. That's about it. I wouldn't even carry if I was interviewing for a job with the NRA.

Otherwise, wear a nice suit, a good watch, one non-political professional society lapel pin for whatever profession you are in, polished shoes, and avoid religion or politics in interviews. Political beliefs and professional employment searches are not things to mix.


"Which is why the majority of us never even mention guns during the hiring process"

Nor do we mention our sex lives, our Friday Night poker games & cigar smoking routine, or our bass fishing, or our other hobbies. In fact we don't mention *anything else* other than what's germane to the hiring process.



(BTW, a Seecamp is a perfect fit with a business suit... ;) and concealed carry *is* a self defense strategy, not a political statement )


Willie

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Rather apparent as to who did and did not read the first post.
The question was RHETORICAL to make a point. :banghead:
 
Rather apparent as to who did and did not read the first post.
The question was RHETORICAL to make a point. :banghead:

So what was the point of starting a thread telling me stuff I already know? No questions, not even a request for comments.
 
Now that I know I shouldn't answer I will. Maybe at a gun range or applying at my families' business. Otherwise it would be like a Charlie Manson swastika tattoo.
 
Well rhetorically speaking, I owned a business, I'm very pro, and carry all the time. But in my business we had an employment manual, written by our attorney who specialized in employment law, and it prohibited firearms on company property. Our butt was on the line here, and like Tom609, that was for the liability issue.

I can tell you that in 25 plus years of operation, we did have our share of confrontations between employees (mostly male) and there were several occasions where we had to call the local police. I'm glad in hindsight that there were not firearms in the mix. Of course, as owner I had a short-barrel DB in my office, just in case.
 
"Of course, as owner I had a short-barrel DB in my office, just in case."
Rules for thee, not for me (just giving you a hard time ;)). It's a good point, though; I find it incredibly hard to believe that some of the big-wigs at my corporate compound (David Koresh, anyone?) don't carry in spite of the posted 30-06 signage, simply as a cost/benefit calculation they make personally (and especially since we have armed security personnel who could themselves go off the reservation and have a densely packed, fenced in area with only a handful of other people with handguns). Me? I'm an underling so I can't risk breaking the rules, but the VPs probably have less of a worry, and probably carry themselves.

TCB
 
I'm not against open carry. IMO many people open carry to make a statement not because its comfortable or other reasons usually given. If you walked into a job interview with me it tells me the first thing you want to let me know about you is you carry a gun. That is not the first thing I would want to hear from any job applicant even if the job involves carrying a gun. I want to hear what you can do for me so I will pay you.
 
Some seem to think that an employer's rules should apply to all. If its my business and carry a gun but say you can't, its my business and my rules. You don't have to work there.

If I require you to wear a shirt with the business name on it while you're working once again my rules. I can wear whatever I want.
 
I also am a business owner and if someone came in to apply for a job with an openly holstered weapon I would first ask why they felt it was necessary, if they had a good explanation we would proceed, if they started into a diatribe about government conspiracy stuff or had a Prison Planet window sticker the interview would be over. I do not need someone who does not have good thought processes working for me. I have two employees who have concealed carry permits and I do not ask them if they are carrying at any given time (my business is a service business and we work from Denver to Cheyenne and just about everywhere in between) as I trust their integrity and judgement. We are a gun owning company and often have group shoots at a private range owned by one of our customer's so I am about as far from anti gun as you can get, but I am anti-stupid.
 
I wouldn't even carry concealed to a job interview - not if I really wanted to get the job - take ZERO chances that something might go OOPS; also means leaving the cell phone in the car
 
Ok, wow. Apparently the suggestion of carrying at a job interview was rhetorical. The OP wanted everyone to recognize that NO ONE would do that. Then he was using that point to make another point about corporations being anti-gun.

But everyone is skipping his point, hung up on discussing the one thing he thought would be universally assumed and didn't need discussing.

Seeing as this isn't working to frame the discussion he thought it would, and there seems to be no point at all discussing one thing we all seem to agree on 100%, I'm going to stop this and suggest to the OP that he try some other way of framing the discussion he's trying to have.
 
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