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CCW Article in Today's Newspaper

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  1. Invisible Swordsman

    Invisible Swordsman Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    From the Canton (Ohio) Repository, Sunday 1/1/06

    CCW courses more than bang


    CANAL FULTON -- Recently, Warren pizza shop owner Eugene Madill drove to The Firing Line here to take an Ohio-required 12-hour “Carrying Concealed Weapon,” or CCW, training course.

    A few weeks ago, he returned to the indoor pistol range to thank his instructors, Joseph M. Slish and Ed Lee, for the instruction that saved his life.

    Near closing time Nov. 21, Madill got a delivery order to a high-crime area of Warren. He sent his help home, telling them he would make the delivery.

    Arriving at the address, Madill knocked and was met by a person in a ski mask and a hooded sweatshirt.. As he turned to run, he was ambushed by two similarly dressed accomplices who had approached from behind. The trio dragged him into the vacant house and began beating him. Repeatedly, he tried to shield himself from the attack while reaching for his wallet.

    That’s when he spotted a fourth person approaching with a knife. “It don’t matter,” he told the victim. “We’re going to kill you anyway.”

    Madill then reached inside his jacket and pulled out his 9mm semiautomatic pistol. He shot the knife-wielder and one of the others who continued to beat him. The four fled and Madill called the police from his business, Mr. B’s Pizza. When he returned to the scene with officers, they found no one.

    But one assailant showed up later at an emergency room.

    And a 16-year-old was found dead in an adjacent yard the following morning, the knife still in his hand.

    Madill told his instructors that a prosecutor and detective assured him, “Whoever taught you, taught you right.”

    Indeed, he had followed protocol to the letter.

    He tried to flee. He endured physical assault in what turned out to be a gang-related crime. And he did not brandish or fire his weapon until he saw his assailant’s.

    So shaken was Madill, who now fears threats of a gang bounty on his life, that he plans to sells his shops and return to his New York City home.

    “I took it hard knowing he was in the class and the finality of it set in,” said Slish recently. “But I also realize he probably would not have survived that attack otherwise.”


    The CCW class at The Firing Line is one of many available throughout the state since April 2004 when Ohio became the 46th state to allow its citizens to apply for concealed carry licenses.

    Three four-hour sessions provide a grounding in the law, safe-handling instruction and some of the science surrounding gunfire. Participants must pass a written test and qualify by firing 100 rounds on the pistol range where 80 percent accuracy is a requirement.

    Slish, the instructor, brought enthusiasm and solid experience to a class of varied backgrounds.

    Michelle Sanor, 41, feisty but a mere 5 feet tall, was determined to learn how to safely and accurately fire the .22-caliber pistol that had belonged to her late father.

    Ramon Santos, 65, a certified public accountant, had never fired a handgun and was intent on learning.

    Marlington Township resident Edgardo Calibag, 51, acquired handgun knowledge in his native Philippines. And it was without rancor that he recalled an anonymous message left at his home telling him to “go back where you came from.”

    Soft-spoken Custodio Fabella, 65, who lives in Jackson Township, was, like his classmates, interested in getting a CCW license for self defense.

    West Virginia native Earl Beall, 55, brought a lifetime of gunmanship to the class, but sniffed not once at neophytes’ questions. He often returns to West Virginia, camping with family members including grandchildren. His concern is protection from rabid critters rather than human interlopers.


    Slish, whose full-time job is Diebold reliability engineering & product assurance lab supervisor, is a stickler for safety with a deep interest in teaching. No question was insignificant. No opportunity missed to reinforce the basic tenets of gun safety:

    In his role as gun instructor, no question was insignificant. No opportunity was missed to reinforce the basic tenets of gun safety:

    1. Always keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.

    2. Always keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot.

    3. Always keep the gun unloaded until ready to use.

    Taking aim correctly does not involve the television cowboy style of raising the pistol above the head, then lowering it.

    “They did that in the Old West when they were riding and shooting. They had to raise the gun high to avoid shooting their horses,” Slish explained.

    Single action. Double action. Semi-automatic. Loading cylinders. Loading magazines.

    What’s the difference between a hangfire, a misfire and a squib load?

    A hangfire and a misfire often are confused and that can be dangerous.

    A misfire is a failure of the cartridge to fire after the gun’s firing pin strikes the primer. A hangfire can be mistaken for a misfire and that can be fatal. In a hangfire, there is a perceptible delay in the ignition of the cartridge after the firing pin strikes the primer. When a cartridge fails to fire, you must keep the pistol pointed in a safe direction and wait at least 30 seconds to see if the cartridge could still fire. If the cartridge does not fire after 30 seconds, it is presumed safe to open the gun’s action to remove the cartridge.

    And a squib load? That’s when a fired cartridge issues a weak “poof” sound, indicating it didn’t develop normal pressure or velocity when struck by the firing pin. In the case of a squib load, Slish stressed, stop firing immediately and unload the gun. Use a cleaning rod to make certain the bullet exited the barrel.


    Only after that instruction comes time at the firing range, where grip, stance, sight alignment, breathing, trigger control and follow-through shift from textbook memorization to real life.

    Eye and ear protection are required.

    Align your rear sight with your front sight, Slish reiterated. Then, keeping your eye on the front sight, gently squeeze the trigger with the soft pad of your finger.

    Santos, who had never before fired a gun, hit a paper plate at 19 feet on his first attempt. Two hours later, he had gained confidence and a firing arm shaky from continuous use.

    Sanor, who is right-handed but left-eye dominant, learned to tilt her head slightly as she sighted her target.

    Beall, using a vintage handgun from his collection, quietly proved his marksmanship.


    After passing the written exam and qualifying on the range, class members got a certificate of completion and a state-issued application to complete before making an appointment with the sheriff’s department. Applicants must pass a criminal background check. When the requirements are met, the sheriff then must issue a license within 45 days. The license then is good for four years.

    A concealed carry license does not grant broad liberties, as some believe. Transporting loaded, concealed handguns in motor vehicles is permitted but with strict limitations. The guns are banned from most government property, and businesses also can prohibit them from their properties.

    Knowledge of the law is squarely on the shoulders of concealed carry licensees.

    Slish urged the class to review often the “Ohio’s Concealed Carry Law” booklet.

    In his introduction to the booklet, Attorney General Jim Petro advises that carrying a concealed weapon carries with it “a responsibility to be aware, not only of the common sense rules of safe firearm handling, but the laws that affect how, when and where you can carry your firearm, and how to properly use the handgun to defend yourself or another person.”

    Reach Diana Rossetti at (330) 580-8322 or e-mail: diana.rossetti@cantonrep.com
  2. mountainclmbr

    mountainclmbr Member

    Oct 25, 2003
    On top of a mountain in Colorado
    Well, +1 for the good guys. Hope he does not get dragged through a civil lawsuit by families of the bad guys.
  3. carebear

    carebear Member

    Jul 30, 2004
    Anchorage, AK
    Sent her an email thanking her for her balance and detail and not using the word "vigilante". Also mentioned how nice it was to show the variety of CCW class attendees.

    I did point out (gently and politely) that legally he didn't have to endure the beating nor wait til he saw the knife to draw. I mentioned she could follow up with the DA to confirm the particulars.
  4. eagle45

    eagle45 Member

    Nov 26, 2004
    Southwest Ohio
    That article actually presents CCW in a mostly positive light, unusual in Ohio papers. Is that typical in the Canton paper?

    Well written and it seems the writer did some research.
  5. NineseveN

    NineseveN member

    May 25, 2004
    Um, from this,

    ...to this?

    I dunno about that. I understand the attempt to flee in a way, but does anyone really train to turn and run from an attacker with obvious intent to do you harm? Turn your back on someone who is inches away from you? I dunno, the situation is way less than ideal, but I don't think any training I have ever received would tell me to do that. A physical move to put the attacker off balance and moving backwards while I drew my weapon and did a peripheral scan perhaps, but to turn my eyes away from a potential threat, not happening.

    Secondly, reaching for the wallet instead of the weapon while enduring physical attacks? Again, I don't recall any training that would dictate that I do this. Physical movements to open up my personal space enough to draw my weapon, yes...letting myself get beat and going for my wallet...um, how about, no?

    Of course, I haven't had extensive training (apparently), and personally, if that's the drill (what is written above), I'm kinda glad I spent more money on firearms than I did on classes. :scrutiny:

    BTW, there is no need for the apostrophe in "assailant's" unless a word was dropped (i.e. until he saw his assailant's big toe), but then again, I haven't received much journalism training either. :neener:
  6. jtward01

    jtward01 Member

    Dec 3, 2005
    Well, 's is used to denote the possessive, as in this case where the writer was referring to the assailant's weapon.

    What the writer could have, and perhaps should have done was to include the words weapon or knife following the word assailant's, however in this case the meaning of the sentence was assumed to be understood.

    As for the duty to retreat, I don't know what the Ohio law is on the subject. It may require you to attempt to flee before using deadly force. Florida does not have such a requirement. Ohio law may also require you to be confronted by deadly force before using the same. This would explain the comments “Whoever taught you, taught you right,” and "Indeed, he had followed protocol to the letter."

    Perhaps in Ohio you can't use deadly force to avoid a beating, only when you're threatened by deadly force.
  7. NineseveN

    NineseveN member

    May 25, 2004
    Possible, but I have a difficult time digesting a physical beating by multiple attackers as not falling under the legal realm of dealy force, even in Ohio. I guess I'll have to look it up for giggles.

    I understood the attempt, but IMHO it was a poor choice to put the text that way. It was also more of a joke, hence the :neener: that followed.
  8. Old Dog

    Old Dog Member

    Aug 11, 2004
    somewhere on Puget Sound
    No one picked up on this yet?
    So, he successfully defends himself, while living in a state that allows citizens to carry guns, but as a result -- feels compelled to move back to New York City -- where he would presumably join the ranks of unarmed potential victims again?
  9. grimjaw

    grimjaw Member

    May 9, 2005
    Old Dog, that's the first thing I noticed. It must be bad in Canton if something there makes you want to move back to New York City.

  10. Henry Bowman

    Henry Bowman Senior Member

    Dec 30, 2002
    Cincinnati, Ohio
    I noticed too.
    Obviously he's suffered permanent brain damage!:uhoh:
  11. Parke1

    Parke1 Member

    Dec 25, 2002
    Akron, OH
    I grew up in a teeny little town (Uniontown) just north of Canton. Being a rather adventurous youth, I spent all sorts of time in the more nasty areas of Canton (and Akron). Neither are great places to live, but in contrast to NYC, I'll pick them every time.

    Give me Ohio and my 1911 or G19 to keep me company over NYC any day.

  12. Waitone

    Waitone Member

    Dec 25, 2002
    The Land of Broccoli and Fingernails
    The article was written by someone who was either an exceptional and diligent researcher. . . .or . . . .a closet gunner. Details show more than just passing familliarity with firearms and their use.

    Good article.
  13. Johnnybgood

    Johnnybgood Member

    Feb 7, 2005
    Even here in Illanoid

    I was taught that if you had disparity of force (4 attackers), you can shoot. If on the ground and they are using their legs (deadly weapon) you can shoot. Lastly they pull a weapon(here a knife). Even here at just about any point he could have legally pulled his weapon and defended himself. There would have been miserable times in court to be sure, but from what I was taught I could have defended myself before I hit the ground. That is if I had a weapon.:banghead:
  14. Chrontius

    Chrontius Member

    Jan 16, 2005
    Umm... not the best source, but the first one I found. The CDC's latest MMWR lacked any relevant data, so...

    "Some 2000-4000 women are beaten to death annually in the U.S." Time Magazine Sept. 5, 1983

    Anyone wanna find the complete nationwide numbers from 2004 for me?
  15. IdahoFarmer

    IdahoFarmer Member

    Jan 2, 2003
    Eagle, Idaho
    Most everything in that article looks good to me, with the exception of this item. The value of a firearm in an uloaded state is greatly diminished.
  16. gt3944

    gt3944 Member

    Jan 3, 2006
    yeah, i hope so too, but you know how this is gonna go...the family of the thugs are gonna sue the victim, the firearm maker, and most probably the instructor...lets just hope they don't win any kind of money from anyone....
  17. Stiletto Null

    Stiletto Null Member

    Jan 3, 2006
    Raleigh, NC
    Well, it's a pretty loose sentence. You could say that "ready to use" includes "holstering for daily carry".
  18. Travis McGee

    Travis McGee Member

    Jan 12, 2003
    NE Florida
    Overall, a terrific article!
  19. Herself

    Herself member

    May 14, 2004
    It's right out of the NRA version of The Rules, and what it means depends on -- no, not what "is" is! -- how you look at "ready to use." I figure my daily carry weapon is "ready to use." So I keep it loaded.

  20. Mainsail

    Mainsail Member

    Dec 16, 2005
    That is a correct statement. If you're putting the pistol away at the end of the day (and it doesn't double as your home protection arm) it should be unloaded. I think the impetus here is on others inadvertently discovering your gun, not in the gun's readiness. If you're going to tote it around town while you run errands, it should be loaded, as you are using it.
  21. BHPshooter

    BHPshooter Member

    Dec 28, 2002
    I would have to disagree with this. Perhaps that is an Ohio law, I don't know... But here in Utah, the attacker has to meet three conditions: Ability, Opportunity, and Immediacy.

    The guy tried to run, but was then surrounded. At that point (in my mind), all three of those conditions were met.

    Since we have the extravagant luxury of 'monday night quarterbacking' situations like this, I'll tell you what I would have done. Upon the door opening and seeing a masked individual, I would have either thrown the pizza bag in the guy's face or shoved him, then I would have tried to run. Then, as cretins number 2 and 3 showed up, I would have drawn.

    Of course, "in the heat of the moment" we don't have such crysal vision, but we always hope that we have made "decisions of action" beforehand. Just like driving, it's always better to decide whether you'll go through the intersection before you're caught at the yellow light.

  22. Librarian

    Librarian Member

    Oct 14, 2003
    Concord, CA
    Sure. Assuming that had to be a murder, and these two categories are all of it, for BOTH men and women we have from FBI UCR 2004, table 2.9
    Murder victims in 2004 were roughly 11 male to 3 female. There were 3,099 women murdered, and 1,596 total murders by blunt instrument + fists and feet. With table 2.14 I can derive the % of each murder circumstance victims are women, and multiply that times the number of victims by method blunt instrument + fists and feet for each circumstance.

    I suggest the 2004 number of women murdered - beaten to death - is probably 1,048.
  23. beaucoup ammo

    beaucoup ammo Member

    Sep 17, 2005
    San Antonio

    "It may require you to attempt to flee before using deadly force."

    This, I would imagine, is mute if the atackee is physically unable to attempt to flee: elderly, disabled, etc.?
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