CCW handgun for wife....manufacturer and caliber? Help me decide.

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I am looking to buy a CCW gun for my wife in the next month, and I'm looking for some suggestions. I carry a Glock 30 .45 ACP, but this would probably be too much gun for most females (although some could handle it fine). I would prefer a Glock and looking hard at the Glock 26 9mm. I picked this one since it's a smaller caliber and is a small gun, almost seems perfect for most women. What handguns and calibers do your wives carry, and do you have any recommendations? Like I said before, I prefer a Glock but it doesn't have to be if I find one more appealing. Thanks in advance.
 
Your wife should pick the weapon, not you. She may not be interested but you can't find something that "feels good" for her. Even if she picks one just because it is "cute", let her do it.
 
True, but the only guns of mine she has shot before are my .357 snubby (which beats her hands to death, bless her heart for still shooting over 12 rds of full power .357 loads though) and my Glock 30 which she did ALOT better with but I still think was too rough on her. Because of this I have ruled out .357 and .45 ACP. Which leaves 9mm and .40 still being considered.
 
I am willing to bet the 40 would be too much for her as well. How/where (on body) does she plan on carrying? Knowing her build would also help to know how easy it would be for her to CC.
 
.40S&W has a little much snap for a new shooter. If she likes the Glock, a 9mm Glock wouldn't be bad. I might look for something slightly less bulky though, like a Beretta or a Kahr.
 
For myself I was going to go with the Bersa Thunder, of course I have posted my complete :banghead: with actually obtaining one.


Now that I may actually have the dough, I am leaning towards the Glock 19... of course in Illinois, CCW is not an option, this would be for protecting my hind end around the house mostly.
 
Before you rule out anything take her to the store and let her shop (something most women do extremely well). You are deleting calibers based on her shooting and handling a single firearm. The .357mag comes loaded at different power levels. The same applies to the .45acp, which by the way you say she likes. Why do you think it's hard on her? Shouldn't she be the judge of that? She should have the opportunity to handle all models to see what fits and decide. Your job is to stand ready with the checkbook in hand.

Think about it, do you want her to pick out your CCW gun based on what she thinks you need and the opinions of her friends?
 
We got my wife one of those Kal-Tec P11 9mm's, she likes it and it's very small, easy to conceal, and shoots rather nice for being as small as it is.
 
Thanks for all the replies guys. I really don't want to pick her gun for her, I'd rather her have the one she wants. But on the flip-side, I reminded her that this would be a carry gun for self-defense and she would need to not only be able to fire it, but be able to practice with it enough to actually hit a greyhound bus if need be. She's about 4' 10" with petite hands so small frame handguns are a must. This is really the only reason why I picked the Glock 26 since it was so small and in a managable caliber. I don't know what it is, but I am just uncomfortable with letting her pick any caliber she wants.

I guess my problem is......I just think if she needs it one day I would hate her to not be able to keep the muzzle on target because of recoil, etc.... I'll just have to research some more and see what I can come up with. At this point I am more focused on caliber more than anything, manufacturer can be solved easily by going by some gun shops and letting her handle a bunch until she finds one that fits her hands really good and she likes it. I'm going to back off some and let her experiment more on her own and see what she ends up wanting. Keep the suggestions coming, it's been really helpful.
 
I met a lady recently.....

who is very interested in shooting, particularly handguns. So I took her to the range, gave her some basic instruction and turned her loose(with supervision). First with a Colt Officer wearing a .22 conversion unit, then a Jay frame .38 with mild wadcutters(with an occasional empty chamber to catch any flinch), my Government model and Para LDA Companion with 185 gr Win Silvertips(some of the lightest recoiling .45 loads I have found)...then we rented and tried some of the other guns at the range...a HD nine, Glock 26 and a Kahr P9...also tried some 230's in the Government and the G22 of a partner(the latter two she did not like, but she did give them a whirl!)
Of those, she liked the Kahr best(followed closely by the ParaLDA) and after 'getting a feel' of most of the small nines in the shop(CCW class upcoming) she bought a slighly used PM9 and loves it!!
She's only got about 250 rounds through it now, but I'll run her through the paces once more before her class...she will already pass the quall scores, now she wants smaller groups! And she is very excited about learning how to get them.
Show her the ropes. teach her what you know and let her pick what she wants to carry!
Jercamp45
 
I`ll start with the standard answer that you should go someplace that rents guns and let her try a whole stack of em. That said make sure a Kahr K-9 and P-9 are in the stack somewhere. The super slim grip (especially the P-9) and short trigger reach would probably suit her small hands very well. A glock 36 loaded with 165gr. Federal Personal Defense ammo might fit the bill also? Fairly slim grip,moderate recoil,BIG bullets. Remember Bonnie Parker was know to use a sawed off Browning A-5 12ga. and a chopped BAR with amazing effectiveness and she was about you wifes size. raining and determination are a big part of it. I went through all this with my wife a a year or so ago and she ended up with a Colt Gov`t .380 Pocketlite. It suits her,she shoots it very well,she`s confident in her abilities with it and it doesn`t scare her. I rather she had something with more "umph" but it`s not my gun. If it was it wouldn`t be wearing custom mother of pearl,gold engraved Hello Kitty grips.... :what: Marcus
 
As far as petite ladies requiring petite guns, I was watching the History Channel the other day and they were talking about Bonnie Parker. She was 4'11" and often toted the BAR for the gang.:eek:

A slightly heavier handgun would absorb more recoil and may make her shoot more, so you may want to have her shoot .38sp out of your .357 and see how she likes that.

If she's OK w/ autoloaders (racking the slide, practicing enough to understand the safety, hammer, etc), the Springfield XD in 9mm might be worth a look.

You also can't go wrong checking out a sub $150 Makarov w/ decocker SA/DA trigger and availability of holsters, ammo, etc. -- although the blowback action can be hard to rack. I usually cock the hammer first. For less than $150, she can tote it for a while and figure out what she really likes and dislikes for CCW. It can serve as a backup gun for you both or you can probably sell it at a profit after she gets what she really wants.
 
Never been married so my perspective on this issue is a outsider looking in.
This is from talking to the wives of friends and relatives.
With that said 99% of women are not going to carry a large caliber pistol.
As they are heavy and require a holster to carry them. A woman is not going to wear a inside the waist band holster as it is a weigth issue.
1- unsightly buldge(makes her look fat)
2- having to wear shirts untucked in to cover the holster(makes her look fat)
3- wearing a larger shirt not ment to be tucked in (makes her look fat)
A large caliber pistol will not be carried in a purse by a woman because it is heavy and streches the purse out of shape. Also takes up too much room in the purse.
Which could possibly make her look fat.
So if you guys want to get a pistol that you wife will carry with her in her purse all the time and not take it out becasue of the above issues.
Get her a Kel-Tec P32 less than 8oz loaded with 7 rds of 32acp and doesn't take up much room in a purse.
Ok I can hear all of y'all now, "mouse gun,won't stop a attack by a midget on Bayer asprin".
Maybe, Maybe not, But........it will be a hell of a lot better than that large cailber pistol that was left at home because it make her look fat, is too large,or is too heavy!

As my favorite Latino stand up comic says, "stop me when I am lying!"
 
Well, Sigs are great guns.....

But the aforementioned lady 'felt' the various Sigs and thought they were 'too big' for her CCW gun.
I guess I kinda felt the same way about the Sig 220 when I experimented with a friends a few years back. Nice, yes. Accurate, yes. Reliable, yes. Fit my hand well and had a great grip angle, yes.
But the various sizes of Colt 1911 I own have been reliable and accurate and I had alot of familiarity and training with then..... so I stuck with the single stack 1911's for myself.
Matter of fact a 'new to me' Colt CCO is awaiting final payment before it comes home by the end of the month.....
But, you shoot and carry what is comfortable for you cuz there is no gun that is perfect for everybody!
Jercamp45
 
In the context of this conversation, I have noticed that a very important distinction between gun types: guns to carry and guns to learn to shoot with.

I have noticed that many shooting instructors tend to focus upon caliber, especially with new shooters. I still see it with NRA Basic Pistol instructors. They always seem to say "that's too powerful for X". In my experience, it's all about expectations. If the new shooter has been "primed" with the notion that a 44 Magnum is too powerful, then that person will believe that--probably for a very long time. One of the skinnest, small boned women I have ever seen absolutely loved her 44 Magnum "Dirty Harry" gun. It was her hunting and self-defense gun and she shot it very well. However, she never "knew" that it was "too much gun" for her.

Others will state that revolvers are better to start with because of Y. Usually, they claim revolvers are "easier to use", "everyone understands them", and "semi-automatics are too complicated". In my experience, this has not been the case. Most people can understand and remember the functions of the trigger, safety, slide release, and magazine release. It's really not that hard.

One good way to start a new shooter off is to start with a handgun chambered in 22 LR and work them up through calibers using light reloads. If you ask "Would you like to try something a bit more powerful?" The results are very interesting due to human psychology. In my experience, most shooters merrily move up from 22 LR to 45 ACP in a two hour session. It just takes exposure and patience on the part of the instructor.

Of course, being a testosterone filled idiot when I first started, I HAD to have a "good 45". So, I loaded up that first round, clenched my teeth, and shot it. I thought I was going to land on my butt, but no such thing happened. I went on to firing 5 round groups as soon as I realized the recoil was not like in the movies.

Most beginning shooters don't receive the wisdom of our betters and just buy a BFG (big friggin' gun). Then they're told by an "expert" that it is too powerful for them. No wonder they flinch

What does all that have to do with guns for carry and guns for learning?

There are certain attributes that make guns good for carry and bad for learning. A short sight radius combined with an abbreviated grip can make learning to shoot a very difficult task. The reason is that the new shooter has not yet figured out how to evenly grip the handgun, much less focus on the front sight and pull the trigger properly. People learn best when they focus on one aspect of a skill. Thinking about grip, front sight, trigger pull and breathing at the same time is too much for a new shooter to handle.

If your wife is just learning to shoot (and it sounds like that is the case), then a little carry gun like the Glock 26 is not a good choice. The abbreviated grip does not provide enough support for a shooter in learning mode. Even after 10,000+ rounds through my Glocks, I still would throw a round off target every once in awhile.

It would be best if the handgun you choose has an external safety. An external safety is very important; it makes the shooter THINK about whether or not the gun can fire (the rule about never depending upon the safeties notwithstanding). It gives a small measure of protection against negligent discharges, but gun safety is really in the mind of the handler.

I recommend that she look at the Glock 19 and similar sized handguns. They conceal very well for strong-side carry. These guns are also large enough that they may be used for learning. Though many of the new polymer based handguns lack external safeties (including the G19 whose "trigger safety" doesn't count), most are very well built and safe to carry so long as the trigger is covered.

Also, many 1911 style handguns come in 9mm and 40 AUTO. The 1911 has the advantage of two external safeties and a consistent and light trigger pull. The Browning Hi-Power is also available, but has only a thumb safety. And, yes, it's perfectly safe to carry a 1911 or Browning in Condition One (round chambered, hammer cocked, safety engaged). Remember, the gun will be in its holster, which covers the trigger. I never shot myself with a Browning or 1911 over the years :)

If you work her up to the larger calibers, she will do fine. Though she has tiny hands, she should be able to handle a Browning or 1911 with slim grips if she can handle a Glock. The neat thing about the 1911 is that you can get a very short trigger. The Sigs also have a short trigger option.

Some guns to look at:

Glock 19
Kahr K-9 (should be great for little hands -- just replace the sights)
Springfield Armory XD
Kimber Ultra Carry (or similar like the Springfield Micro-Compact in 9mm)
Sig Sauer P225 with short trigger and a trigger job from Langdon Tactical (langdontactical.com)
Ruger SP101 (loaded with hot 38s or 110 grain 357)
Sig Sauer P239 (trigger job a must)
STI LT in 9mm (if the short grips allow her to fully hold the gun)
Walther PPK
Sig Sauer P232
HK P7M8

.. and so on....

She could also try a full sized 1911. The Springfield Mil-Spec (or GI World War II) has a short trigger and is low priced. You should modify the sigthts, but it's reliable. I've been seeing alot of ladies shooting full sized 1911 pistols lately. You may be surprised at what she'll like!
 
Usually, they claim revolvers are "easier to use", "everyone understands them", and "semi-automatics are too complicated". In my experience, this has not been the case. Most people can understand and remember the functions of the trigger, safety, slide release, and magazine release. It's really not that hard.
In functioning I have to agree with you, but the complications come in with learning to reconize and dealing with malfunctions. A pistol is more prone to malfunction thru it's cycling than a revolver. The clear and tap, rap, bang drill has to learned for a pistol. A weak grip has the possibility to make the most reliable pistol malfunction. The revolver is immune to gripping issues causing malfunctions. I've also seen many, many new shooters pulling on triggers with the safety still engaged. It takes time before these things become second nature.
 
Too bad I hadn't heard the opinions of all you experts who just know the little women can't handle anything as big and cumbersom as a 45 Auto. It would have saved a lot of trouble that's going to come up when I explain to my 55 year old wife and my 62 years old sister that they can't carry their 45s anymore. Since both of their carry guns are alloy framed (Kimber Ultra Aluminum for the wife and an LW Officer's ACP for the sister) they obviusly need to be told they can't control them.

Sure is nice to have a source for information from experts like you folks!

Tamara, I could use your help here. Could you please explain to these experts how a woman can indeed carry and shoot a 45 Auto!
 
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