CCW holder packing prevented from voting

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http://www.southbendtribune.com/breakingnews/posts/1908.html

Gun owner prevented from voting while carrying weapon

By CAROL DRAEGER
Tribune Staff Writer

A gun shop owner said he was denied the right to vote Tuesday morning while carrying a gun on his hip.

Len Grummell, owner of Len’s Gun Shop in South Bend, said a Democratic poll worker at Fire Station 5, 2221 Prairie Ave., told him he had to remove his gun belt before entering the building.

Rather than argue, Grummell said, he complied with the request, but he believes the poll worker should be fined for breaking the law.

Grummell said state law is “silent” on the issue of whether gun owners who have permits to carry guns can do so at polling places.

Tom Botkin, a Republican member of the St. Joseph County Election Board, said there is no definite rule in state law that bans guns at polling places. He researched the issue last year when area police officers were denied the right to vote while carrying their firearms.

Police officers and firefighters in uniform may carry their firearms while voting, but Indiana law doesn’t addresss other gun carriers specifically, he said.

“I can’t believe he needs the protection of his gun to vote,” said Botkin.

Grummell was not denied the right to vote, Botkin said. “He was entitled to vote and he got to vote,” Botkin said, adding, “It was a modest thing for someone to do to ask him to take off his gun.”

Botkin said Grummell stirs controversy every election. “This is not a new issue with him. Every year he wants to carry his gun and every year there is a conflict.”

Grummell said he plans to take the issue to court.

“Before I even came in the door, she was on the phone with officials . . . preventing me from voting unless I put my gun in my car,” Grummell said about the Democratic poll worker who told him to remove his gun.

Grummell said the Republican workers at the poll said nothing to him; the woman and elections judge who refused to let him inside until he removed his gun were both Democrats.

Grummell’s wife, who voted 30 minutes later, was apparently allowed to vote, even though she was carrying a gun in her purse, according to her husband.

“She wasn’t even questioned but I was specifically targeted,” Grummell said. “The crux is that I was targeted because they know I carry a gun.”
 
I voted and I was wearing my concealed gun. Local HS while school was in session. California believe it or not.

Ed
 
Wow, imagine, someone going to vote making a political statement. [elmer fudd]The horror, the horror![/elmer fudd]
 
<sarcasm>
I'm sorry, I was under the obviously mistaken impression that my Second Amendment right assured my vote in a legal election in this country.
</sarcasm>


OTOH, mine was legally concealed when I voted. But I might not have been carrying. Who knows? I ain't telling.

Regards,
Rabbit.
 
I sure carried when I voted, but it was concealed. No restrictions here that I know of, unless the polling place is already prohibited (UNLV, etc.).
 
How odd. My friend had just moved, so we stopped at the Election Board to find out where he should go vote. I chatted with the deputy in the lobby for a bit. Talked about CCW for a while, which the deputy thought MORE people needed. She couldn't understand why more people didn't get them.
 
Police officers and firefighters in uniform may carry their firearms while voting, but Indiana law doesn’t addresss other gun carriers specifically, he said.

Am I the only one that finds it odd that firefighters carry firearms?
 
I think it would be a modest thing for leftist extremists to be deprived of their First Amendment civil rights, too. Surely they'd understand, wouldn't they?

Aren't they already? I know that here in TX, you're not allowed to wear political shirts, buttons, etc at the polls.
 
“I can’t believe he needs the protection of his gun to vote,†said Botkin.
Sure, and the British can't believe that police officers need to carry guns, either. Wachovia doesn't seem to believe that I need the protection of a gun to carry and deposit large funds, but I still do it, even though I have to carry a letter from the county sheriff stating my right to do so. This man's opinion of whether or not I "need" a gun is irrelevant, and whether or not he likes it, his opinions do not dictate my actions.

Here in Georgia, guns are forbidden at polling places (why?), but since most are schools and churches (where nothing violent EVER happens), I couldn't carry anyway. I'm just glad my precinct is in a relatively quiet neighborhood, and not the inner-city or some strife-torn 3rd-world country where people kill each other during elections.

Botkin said Grummell stirs controversy every election. “This is not a new issue with him. Every year he wants to carry his gun and every year there is a conflict.â€
Well, if it's not specifically illegal there, then Botkin's opinion really doesn't matter. However, there's a time and a place to make your point, and there are right and wrong ways to do so. Grummel sounds like he's trying to make a statement, but there are more effective ways to do so. Plain fact is, if I'm carrying into a place where it's uncertain, I make absolutely sure it's concealed. If I'm "made," well, oops, but I'm not going to persuade anybody by making a scene.
 
If it WAS legal,I would've told her to call a cop.......this knid of descrimination has got to stop.....gun owners are the last frontier of people it's OK to descriminate against....:mad:
 
So... Democrats are concerned that, "Every vote counts!" I'm sure that it wont induce any crocodile tears from them if this guys vote or the vote of military absentee ballots dont count. :mad:
 
Am I the only one that finds it odd that firefighters carry firearms?

I don't, one of my friends that was a fireman said he had been shot at while on a call. Perps see the flashing lights and I guess instinct takes over. Though I'm not sure you'd want to carry into a fire heh.

Is the fire station a government building? Can you carry in a government building in Indiana?

edit: packing.org doesn't mention local/state government buildings are off limits.
 
I am curious as to how this guy was able to know the political affiliation of poll workers.

This stuff makes gun owners look childish and self centered. Grow up and put on a jacket. I dont see the need for displaying a colostomy bag at the polls either.
 
Sendec, in MO poll workers are identified by party. There has to be one of each (don't ask about the fringe parties, I don't know).

Also in MO you cannot carry a gun into a polling place on election day. Since most are in schools, it kind of goes along with the law.
 
I also used my CCW permit as ID to vote. Not an eyelash was blinked by the little old lady checking ID's.
 
I believe it is against the law in Texas, also, to carry a gun into a polling place. Since descretion is the better part of valor (and I don't want to risk my CHL), I left my "always in my pocket gun" under the seat of my car before getting in line for early voting.
 
Had my Glock 19 on my hip with my shirt over it as usual when I voted. No one saw a thing.
 
{gulp} I actually agree with sendec on this one. Why go around looking for trouble when you know you can avoid it? What is this guy hoping to accomplish?
 
I too, vote at a schoolhouse; so NO weapons for me!

Hey Riley, could have been that this guy's voting place was
in a very bad part of town? Well, come to think of it mine is
too; but thats a chance I had to take.

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
 
This is the kind of controversial thing that gives gun owners and CHL holders a black eye. Looking for trouble while in line with PEOPLE WHO VOTE and showing your @$$ at the polling place is not the way win over the electorate.

Don't put people who may agree with you on the spot like that and don't give people who have yet to form an opinion, a reason to believe that all gun owners are nuts.

You don't need a gun with you at a polling place.

I am a CHL holder, a LEO and a member of the NRA and I felt NO REASON to carry a weapon into a polling place.

Am I alone?

Edit and a note: forcing a court ruling on this could set an ugly precedent. Since the State has not been forced to rule, then you could get away with carrying or not, if asked not to, be polite. If you force their hand, you affect anyone and everyone.

Sometimes manners wins over more folks than lawyers.
 
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