CCW holder shoots armed robber.

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Breaking News: Armed Robbery Gone Wrong
Posted: 3/18/2006 10:25:05 PM


Two men walked into the Homeland at 89th and Memorial. They walked up to the cashier, and one of them pulled out a gun, demanding money. That's when a customer pulled out a gun and shot one of the robbers. The robber then began to crawl towards the door. Both men were able to get away in a white four-door Oldsmobile. No word yet how badly the suspect was hurt. The customer who shot the suspect did have a concealed weapons permit. If you have any information about this case, call Crimestoppers. The number is 596-COPS.


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Sounds to me like they want the guy that shot the robber more than catching the robbers. In this case I think he did the right thing because if he was next to be mugged he may have gotton himself in even more trouble by not doing anything. Even if I knew who he was I would not call crime stoppers on him just for the sole fact he would get in trouble with LEO they can go and take away his gun and his freedom, because I know he would go to jail for it and the bad guy gets away. One bad guy shot and bleeding chalk one up for the citizen...
 
10volt: I don't know why you think that. They must know the guy who shot the robber. How else could they know he had a permit? The news portrayed the guy as a hero.
 
10volt,

Re-read the story. My understanding is that LE is looking for the BAD GUYS. The good guy is in the clear.

The customer who shot the suspect did have a concealed weapons permit.
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The only way they would know that is if he did what he was supposed to do after a righteous shoot, which is wait for LE, and produce his CCW permit. Plus, I would imagine there was at least one witness (the cashier) who would back him up as to what happened.
 
We can only hope that the SOB who tried to rob the store bled out in the white Oldsmobile before getting medical attention.
 
That's good to hear, sorry I live in "Hell A" and if that happened here I'm almost positive the shooter would go to jail and they would take away his guns. It's way differen't out here, you go to jail if you shoot somebody at your front door try'ing to break in. You have to wait till he is inside and if the guy is unarmed your in even more trouble the laws/lawyer's out here are just asinine. I try to stay optimistic but being a native and see'ing all these stupid laws it seems crime does pay these days, because the criminal has more rights than you and I put together.

Take the cop that shot the MP out here he's on paid leave, and the people dropped itto involuntary manslaughter, now if you ask me that sure looked like attempted execution. I have not seen anything like that since the Cambodia guy getting it point blank in the head. But this idiot took three shots at an unarmed MP on his hands and knees, sorry for the rant but the ????? out here is way to thick. And I am seriously thinking about moving to Nevada or AZ because it's just to stupid out here in LA.
 
News reports on TV last night stated that the bad guy got it in the torso area. Police have put out a BOLO to hospitals across the state and nearby states for a gun shot victim. They believe the wound is serious and think he maybe already dead. Plus the police are on the record as it being a good shoot and they also "secretly" state that CCW is a good thing. The local CBS affilitate here in Tulsa did a story on the number of permits in the state, Tulsa County and how many were suspended and revoked. There is over 45,000 permits in Oklahoma and 53 are suspended and 18 revoked last year. Can't remember the total for Tulsa County.
 
A Tulsa police officer named Michael Brown who is an excellent IDPA shooter has posted a good deal of informaton on this at okshooters.com.
 
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Posted: 3/29/2006 8:26:14 PM

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Lol oops.
 
LINKS???

You guys have been around long enough to know to put links in your thread.
You shall be penalized.
You owe us either a beer or a coffee (for those of us who do not drink).
I take my coffee with two sugar, no milk.:neener:
 
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That's when a customer pulled out a gun and shot one of the robbers.


Surprise!
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It really shouldn't be a surprise to anyone in one of the southern states that they stand a pretty good chance of running into an armed citizen. It'd probably be more of a surprise if there WASN'T an armed person around.:)
 
Perhaps we should forward this story to the Brady folks. :evil:

This reminds me of an interview I saw a year or so ago where a career criminal in prison doing a life sentence for murder was asked what his number one fear was when commiting a crime. He said that it was whether or not his victim was armed. He went on to praise California and New York for how their "sensible" keep guns out of the hands of law abiding citizned all but insuring criminals that they don't face armed citizens. He continued to say that he might have actually changed careers if he lived somewhere like Florida. He concluded that criminals operating in those states that allow almost any law abiding citizen to have a CCW must have a death wish.
 
Perhaps we should forward this story to the Brady folks.
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Aw, you know what their nonsense response will be. That he "escalated the situtation", that the robber likely wouldn't have shot anyone, and that the "victim of society" wouldn't have been killed if nobody else had a gun. :barf:
 
10volt said,
In this case I think he did the right thing because if he was next to be mugged he may have gotton himself in even more trouble by not doing anything.
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The CCW guy didn't do the right things because he might have been next in line to get mugged. Once the bad guys produced a gun, threatened use of lethal force, the aspect of the store robbery and potential secondary mugging aren't relevant except for being reasons why the robbers were where they were. One there is such a threat, it is a matter of defending life, not property such as money.

People like to say that they would give up something like their wallet with $50 bucks if they were mugged and not worry about it too much because they are not going to risk getting killed over $50 and they are not going to kill another human, life being precious and all, over $50. I fail to understand how it is that folks want to believe that the critical part of the event is the belongings desired by the bad guys at the end of a barrel of a gun. They are threatening to shoot if there isn't compliance and they don't have any reason to not shoot after compliance unless they don't want to shoot. Why would you trust bad guys holding you at gun point to only take your wallet because you gave it to them? Folks like to believe that it is some sort of contract. If you give up the wallet, the bad guys won't hurt you. Given they are threatening you with lethal force, do you really trust them to uphold their half of the deal negotiated to you at gunpoint? They are threatening to kill you and/or others. That is the salient concern, not the valuables.
 
Robber pulls gun, smoke him

That's good to hear, sorry I live in "Hell A" and if that happened here I'm almost positive the shooter would go to jail and they would take away his guns.
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I'd be moving out of CA, if that's the way it is.

As far as the guy who shot the robber - OUTSTANDING!!:D :D Any time a robber pulls a gun out, you have to believe it is loaded and he/she will shoot. Everyone concerned is immediately in jeporday of death. The only solution is to immediately SMOKE HIM and save yourself and other innocent lives.

As Jeff Cooper once said, "The only proper resolution to an armed robbery is a dead robber on the floor."
 
Brady Rationale:

The robbers only wanted the money, not to hurt anyone. The robbers have rights too, they have a right not to die at the hands of other civilians. Just because they committed a robbery doesn't mean they should be dealt a death sentence. Concealed weapons license holders are vigilantees. The robbers should face a court of law instead.


The CWL holder was lucky. Most often CWL holders either miss and kill innocents, or are completely ineffective, or might lose their firearm to the robbers, who will then be better equipped to kill cops.

The solution to solving crime is not by using a gun. Escalation is not the answer. Banning guns is the answer. If the robbers didn't have guns, they wouldn't have robbed the store in the first place.


Common sense. Sensible gun control is needed. The NRA are extremists.
 
Ummm

Say guys, I too celebrate the success of the shooter, but, its a really big but. I'd like to ask you all to consider carefully what you would do in similar circumstances. I'm going to try and remembe the BG could have an accomplice. Therefore you should scan your surroundings carefully and try to distance yourself from the action. You know the rest of the drill....
 
Heh...after reading hundreds of these stories, seeing videos, hearing instructors ad nauseam...

My plan is to deliver as much lead as quickly and as accurately as possible at all threats before me. Quick and blinding violence. No mercy. If the dirtbag is on the ground and is still moving/clutching a pistol, I will continue to empty my magazine into him. A wounded yet determined thug shot multiple times can still pull a trigger and kill someone. The threat must be neutralized. More holes are better. It will make a mess, and seem cruel or excessive on video...but I will be alive, and that is the only goal.

Better to be judged by 12, than carried by 6. Fortunately, in Florida, I'll never have to be judged by 12. Anyone who uses deadly force in the commission of a felony can have deadly force used against them. Due to the new Florida law, I do not have to run first. I cannot be sued by him or his family for sending him to hell. Unless the authorities have concrete evidence that I acted outside of the law, they cannot arrest me and keep me in jail for an excessive period of time.


I will not shoot at a retreating thug though. That would be vigilanteism, and probable be charged with murder.
 
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