CCW story headlined on CNN....UTAH!

[keeleon]

"I feel less safe knowing that a stranger sitting beside me in class may have a gun in his or her backpack," she said.

Of course she probably isn't currently worried that the stranger sitting next to her also has hands, feet, and possibly various other "equipment" that bad men use to commit criminal acts on women. But she should be MORE worried about that. Or worried about the guy that CURRENTLY has a gun in his backpack, because it's not legal currently.

 

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

I would also bet that she personally knows gun owners and is friends with some, though she may not know they own guns. Does she really think a person and their trustworthiness changes simply because they own a gun? If you can trust someone at all, you can trust them with or without a gun. Either the stranger sitting next to her in class wants to harm her, or he/she doesn't. The 18oz of plastic/metal that may or may not be in their backpack has no bearing on whether they are dangerous or not. She seems to trust those strangers to drive cars. Doesn't she know that cars are involved in a great deal more deaths than guns? I don't hear her saying "I feel less safe knowing that a stranger sitting beside me in class may run me over in the parking lot".

The person makes all the difference, not the tools or object. If she trusts someone before she knows they have a gun, but doesn't trust them after, her brain is not working properly.

 

[keeleon]

It's kind of funny. My best friend is a pretty die hard anti. And yet he admits that he has no problem with me having guns. He just fully supports strict gun control so the bad guys won't have them. He's a pretty smart guy, but I think he is just thinking with his heart on this issue. Of course he grew up in a pretty crappy "ghetto" where guns were the best way to resolve bad $5 pot deals.

 

[conw]

If you can trust someone at all, you can trust them with or without a gun.

Not entirely true. Some people just don't know how to handle a gun. I get what you're saying but it needs to be carefully worded so you don't come across as encouraging people who don't want to carry to carry. Then you sound like a "gun nut."

There's a difference between arguing that one should have a right to be armed, and arguing that everyone should be armed who is trustworthy morally speaking.

I know, I know, you didn't mean that at all, but some "antis" will use that type of comment to fuel their side of the debate.

 

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

I'm not talking about ability. I'm talking about intent. If someone intends to harm you they will do it with their hands if they have to. And if they don't intend on harming you, and RPG-7 in their hands is no more malevolent than a bic pen.

 

[keeleon]

Ya, making CCW legal will not automatically mean every one will start carrying guns like all of the "scare-ninjas" want you to think. All it will do is give the half a percent that feel so inclined the OPTION to be safe if they so choose.

 

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

The argument against campus CCW might be believable(though no valid), if CCW anywhere else was illegal. But we already know that people carry concealed at Wal Mart, gas stations, McDonalds, ects, and there are no shootouts or blood running in the streets. If the stranger sitting next to the girl in class can carry in their car or at AppleBees, and nothing happens, why would carrying at school make them a killer?

 

[32winspl]

It regularly blows my mind that seemingly so many people refuse to accept the FACT that they're ultimately responsible for their own safety and that of their loved ones. They'll insure their cars, change the batteries in their smoke detectors, buy new tires before the current ones are treadless, quit smoking, eat sensable meals, work out at the gym, buy billions of dollars worth of cholesterol-lowering drugs.... and be perfectly willing to turn over the responsibility and obligation of possibly saving their own lives over to someone else. Unbelievable. Just unbelievable.

 

[thekomet]

In order to change bias against guns in general and CCW in particular, we must work on both an individual level and a legislative level. I think that a campus president MAY be swayed by receiving emails even if the senders are not connected to the university, because the are human and so influenced by others opinions. The arguments made by the pro gun control students are easily defeated by dispassionate and reasoned argument. gotta work on both levels

 

[ColinthePilot]

The only place I agree with prohibiting guns on a college campus is in the dormitories. I lived in the dorms at my college for a year, and I wouldn't have kept my guns there even if i could. Freshmen usually move in with people they don't know. I wouldn't have trusted any of my roommates around my guns. We had a small lock box but it wasn't that secure. We routinely left our keys in the locked room because we were adept at breaking in to ours, and just about any other room in the building.
I also didn't have a car my freshman year, so storage in the parking lot was, though legal, not an option for me, or many other students.
The other compounding factors are hundreds of 18year old kids experimenting with alcohol and drugs, many for the first time. I'll admit, I drank in college, but never touched drugs, but many people I know and lived with did. I didn't care, but a pothead is the last person I want near my guns. I didn't have a gun at college till I moved off campus and only had 1 roommate and few guests.
By the way, I went to a nerdy technical aviation university where partying was NOT a major and there were stiff penalties for being caught drinking under age (3 month suspension from flying for first offense). The problems I saw were probably barely a fraction of those at a "party school."

 

[wideym]

I hear the argument that "everyday problems will resort to gunfights" or "someone dropping a tray in the cafeteria will result in pistols being pulled out and bullets flying" crap from every VPC or Brady bunch quote about Concealed Carry legistaltion.

You would think that Florida's Concealed Carry Permit "experiment" would have shut them up. Those were the same comments they made then and they just don't hold up.

If gunfights result from dropped trays, why aren't hundreds dead in Army chow halls in Iraq? Where are the piles of bodies in states with CCP from fender benders and rude behavior? They are not ignorant of the facts they just ignore them to prop up a lie.

 

[Big Boomer]

"I feel less safe knowing that a stranger sitting beside me in class may have a gun in his or her backpack," she said.

"The only people that should carry guns are trained officials."

What I want to know, is just WHAT makes them so less safe?

Is the gun going to magically go on a killing spree all by itself?

Is she afraid that the student my shoot her for copying their work?

It could be that guns just go off by themselves this is why police walk around with them all the time.

But in all seriousness we can never "win" this argument until we find out what the actual phobia or illogical fears are, then take aim (no pun intended) and solve the problem.

People are afraid of what they don't know. Period. Also stories from the "always truthful" media doesn't hurt.

As for the last part

"The only people that should carry guns are trained officials."

I AM trained and do so often, and it is official. So says state of Texas as I have been endowed with the all holy CHL! And that, ladies and gentlemen affords me more liberties than a police officer.

Many law enforcement agencies are restricted by what weapon they can carry, where they can carry it, how much ammo they carry, if they can carry a backup weapon or not. Some are restricted on caliber and even ammunition choices.

Once again ladies and gentlemen if it were the "common citizen" that they were worried about we too would have the same restrictions. And, to a certain point we are. Some states restrict NFA weapons or other firearms, even ammo like in NJ.

We have more laws protecting us "the common citizen" than most law enforcement. Now how enforcement of aforementioned laws is entirely another story.

 

[ptmmatssc]

"But you see, that is where the problem lies: Everybody will end up carrying concealed weapons, and everyday problems will be solved with guns rather than words or even fists."

Yup "blood in the streets" . Funny how the people that spew crap like that cannot come up with ANY facts to back up that position .

Btw , if the above quote was true , then Maine would be a hotbed of shootings considering that there are over 50000 permit holders out of a population of a million . Apparently , we're just an anomaly .