Ceasefire WA rewards police chief who lost Glock

[Bartholomew Roberts]

CCRKBA/Second Amendment Foundation - BELLEVUE, WA –

On the day that the Pacific Northwest’s most extreme anti-gun rights organization plans to honor Seattle Police Chief Gil Kerlikowske, the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms (CCRKBA) is asking why.

“Friday at noon, Washington CeaseFire is going to honor Chief Kerlikowske for his efforts to restrict the rights of law-abiding gun owners, when he can’t even keep track of his own firearm,” said CCRKBA Chairman Alan Gottlieb. “More than a year ago, the chief’s personal 9mm Glock was stolen from his city-owned car while it was parked on a Seattle street, while he and his wife were shopping. Such negligence should not be rewarded.”

Gottlieb noted that CCRKBA’s $1,000 reward for the recovery of Kerlikowske’s pistol still stands.

“This is CeaseFire’s payback to Kerlikowske for supporting their attempt to close a mythical ‘gun show loophole’,” said CCRKBA Executive Director Joe Waldron. “Perhaps the citizens of Washington State would be better served if CeaseFire tried to close the parked police car loophole. With more than one million law-biding gun owners in Washington, Chief Kerlikowske has joined that small group of irresponsible individuals who leave guns lying around where thieves can easily steal them. By now, his missing gun may have been involved in a crime.

“Not only did the Citizens Committee post a reward for the recovery of Chief Kerlikowske’s pistol,” Waldron noted, “the Washington Arms Collectors – the state’s largest gun show operator and grassroots gun rights organization – has been actively watching for it, which appears to be a lot more than the chief or his department has done to recover that firearm.

“Responsible gun owners know better than to leave loaded firearms in their cars, parked on the streets of downtown Seattle,” Gottlieb said. “Yet these are the very people whose firearms rights Chief Kerlikowske wants to help CeaseFire erode, and he’s being rewarded for that.

“Before Kerlikowske, a transplant from back East, tries to tell Washingtonians about firearm responsibility,” Gottlieb said, “he ought to practice a little of his own. Before an extremist group like Washington CeaseFire heaps praise on the chief, they need to know whether his stolen gun has been used to harm someone.”

 

[LAR-15]

Somebody oughtta shout

'Where's your Glock? Where's your Glock?"

 

[Standing Wolf]

“Before Kerlikowske, a transplant from back East, tries to tell Washingtonians about firearm responsibility,” Gottlieb said, “he ought to practice a little of his own...

Well, heck. Maybe the chief's wife doesn't let him carry it when she's around.

 

[tellner]

Somebody oughtta shout

'Where's your Glock? Where's your Glock?"

Is it worth getting beaten up and arrested over?

 

[larry_minn]

Odds are his wife WAS uncomfortable with him being armed around her.

 

[Crosshair]

Is there a link? Sorry, I like to read the originating website.

 

[Zundfolge]

Makes sense to me ... this guy loses his gun ... Ceasefire wants everyone to be disarmed.

Thats one less gun "on the streets" by their logic.

 

[TheEgg]

Is it worth getting beaten up and arrested over?

So, being a heckler in the great Pacific Northwest means the police can beat you up and arrest you?

 

[c_yeager]

Man, I havent heard from ceasefire for a *long* time, not since their involvement in the most decisive humiliation of the antigun movement in the nation, the legendary I-676. This was supposed to have been the final word on gun control, an actual public vote in which the citizens of an entire state would show that the people truly want gun control. Instead it established that even the average voter in a blue-state doesnt want gun control. Ceasefire Washington is one of our best friends.

http://www.womenshooters.com/wfn/i676.html

So, being a heckler in the great Pacific Northwest means the police can beat you up and arrest you?

Within this particular chief's jurisdiction it does. This is the guy who has given passes to his officers for every imaginable offense, including firing on citizens while off duty, intoxicated, and with unregistered firearms, and lying about it to their fellow officers. That particular case recieved a 5 day suspension, courtesy of the chief despite the IA conclusion that the act was a terminable offense, not to mention a felony.

 

[XD_fan]

The missing gun in question was stolen from his city owned car one night while it was parked downtown. One has to wander how it was secured within the car. Or for that matter, why it was even left in the car. If you need a gun you need it with you, not locked in the car somewhere.

http://www.komo1000news.com/news/story.asp?ID=34651

 

[TheEgg]

You guys really really need a new chief!!!!!!!!!

 

[El Tejon]

If I were the head of a pro-gun organization in Washington, I would print up milk containers with a photo of Chief Wiggum's Glock on it--"Have you seen me?" and hand them out at the phot op.

 

[Jammer Six]

Just for the record, you guys are blaming the victim of a crime for that crime?

 

[316SS]

Jammer Six wrote:

Just for the record, you guys are blaming the victim of a crime for that crime?

I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth, but they appear to be blaming him for being negligent and for holding the citizens he is sworn to serve and protect in contempt.

The theft is the reponsibility of the thief, but the Chief of Police ought to know better than to leave a loaded firearm in a car parked on a city street at night. In my opinion, of course.

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[Bartholomew Roberts]

Just for the record, you guys are blaming the victim of a crime for that crime?

Actually I think they are pointing out the hypocrisy in the Chief supporting restrictions on gun owners because they can't be trusted when it seems he is less responsible than many gun owners.

As for people who somehow think that the mere fact that they aren't the actual criminal stealing the gun somehow absolves them from any responsibility to others to make even modest efforts to secure their firearms, I have a pretty low opinion of those people; but it is ultimately a self-regulating problem since the criminal they end up arming is more likely to find them than he is to run into some random stranger.

 

[Autolycus]

I think that the chief should not critizise gunowners and call them irresponsibly while he leaves a loaded gun in his car to get stolen and used in a criminal act. So if he supports laws stating that all firearms must be kept in a safe, or must be locked up in transport, or not allowed in a car we can assume that he will do the same? I do blame the thief however he had better not lobby for laws that prevent me from carrying a gun in a car or on how to properly store my firearms while he does not. I just want the treatment as him.

 

[Jammer Six]

Yes, you are.

I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you. (With apologies to Bogey et. al.)

And ashamed. It's embarrassing to be associated with such a low level of logic.

"She wanted it. You could tell by the way she was dressed."

It was a CRIME. Committed by a CRIMINAL.

No wonder they call us "gun nuts".

 

[Blue Jays]

Hi Jammer Six-

If a regular John or Jane Q. Public left their firearm in a car parked on the street and it was robbed...we would soundly chastise them for their poor decision. There isn't a place in Seattle that he couldn't go with that duty pistol safely strapped to his hip. Whether the weight of the gun was annoying him or his wife was complaining about its presence, it doesn't matter.

Comparing this theft to a woman being raped due to her choice of clothing is inaccurate. A violent predator rapist is not aroused by a woman's clothing, it's all about a twisted desire for power and desire to do harm. This particular Chief of Police could have easily prevented that theft and ensured an illegal gun wasn't on the streets of his city if he had just a tad more maturity and intelligence.

~ Blue Jays ~

 

[Jammer Six]

It is no more or less of a crime than the theft of a firearm taken from a safe.

It is no more or less of a crime than the theft of a firearm taken from your bed.

It was taken from a car. A locked car. It was not in plain view. It was, therefore, in complete compliance with all Washington law.

I own more than one weapon. I do not carry all of them. There was no reason for Chief Kerlikowske to be carrying the weapon that was stolen- it was not his issued duty weapon.

You people need to learn to do basic research before you make claims.

You'll look better.

You're blaming the victim, and your logic is beneath contempt.

The claim that we would soundly chastise the victim of a crime makes the point very clear, on top of being wrong.

*I* wouldn't chastise anyone, anymore than I would chastise the victim of an assault, and I would point out the error of your logic then, as I am doing now. Being in the minority in this thread is rapidly becoming a point I am quite proud of.

I pity all of you.

 

[Jeff]

Jammer Six,

You are stoned. No RESPONSIBLE gun owner leaves a loaded firearm (especially a handgun that can be more easily concealed during a downtown theft) in his car. The fact that he is a PUBLIC SERVANT sworn to SERVE and PROTECT through said arm makes it all the more ludicrous.

LEOs frequently go on record as suggesting that irresponsible gun ownership (such as the example shown by the LEO in question) contributes to violent crime or negligence, such as theft or improper handling. The LEO in question lost a firearm not only to theft, but through his own personal stupidity.

When such figures are lauded by antis, they better have a more clean record indicating responsible gun ownership, such as the overwhelming majority of non-LEO permit holders display have.

 

[Cosmoline]

At least he didn't blow his wife away with his Glock like Tacoma's chief did.

 

[c_yeager]

It was taken from a car. A locked car.

Source? Last I checked there where indications that the car was *not* locked. Im sure that you are aware that leaving a firearm in an unlocked car is a crime in Washington State. Besides, people *do* have a certain amount of responsiblity to protect themselves from crimes.

If you really want to split hairs, i do believe that the firearm actually belonged to the tax payers, so it wasnt really his to be irresonsible with. I would at least be contrite if I allowed someone elses property to be stolen while in my possession due, in part, to my actions.

Even if you want to exclude this incident, there is still a laundry list of reasons to dislike this guy.

 

[Jammer Six]

Source? Last I checked there where indications that the car was *not* locked.

Source: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002141041_chiefgun05m.html

Check again. I don't believe you checked a first time. The article is written too plainly to be misinterpreted.

Im sure that you are aware that leaving a firearm in an unlocked car is a crime in Washington State.

Yes, I am. It was not the case here.

Besides, people *do* have a certain amount of responsiblity to protect themselves from crimes.

He did so, exactly in keeping with our laws.

If you really want to split hairs, i do believe that the firearm actually belonged to the tax payers, so it wasnt really his to be irresonsible with.

You are wrong. It's in the story. No one bears the responsibility, legally, morally or otherwise for the decisions of a criminal.

Errors without research drop this foolishness into the realm of knee-jerk reactions.

I would at least be contrite if I allowed someone elses property to be stolen while in my possession due, in part, to my actions.

Irrelevant, and I disagree. No one bears the responsibility, legally, morally or otherwise for the decisions of a criminal.

Even if you want to exclude this incident, there is still a laundry list of reasons to dislike this guy.

Then dislike him for those reasons.

Blaming the victim is beneath contempt.

 

[Highland Ranger]

It may be legal to leave a loaded gun in a locked car, but would a reasonable person do it?

I sure wouldn't if I could absolutely help it - i.e. if there wasn't some stupid gun law stopping me from carrying it.

Things in cars get stolen and not just in the city.

Negligence is the issue . . . . not blaming the victim for the crime.

Should you be able to safely walk through Central Part an 2am in a bikini? Yes.

Would you be negligent i.e. an idiot if you did? Probably. Would it surprise anyone if something happened to said bikini wearer? No.

Same goes here. Guy was negligent. As a cop you'd think he'd know better.

Or maybe its the arrogance of not caring?

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

If you knew someone wanted to steal your gun, would you consider locking your car an adequate preventive measure?

The Chief was driving around in a city-owned car. Perhaps Seattle is different; but here even plain cop cars aren't exactly subtle. If you are going to drive around in a car that says "This car has a high probability of containing one or more weapons", I think that merely locking the car is insufficient.

Of course, I wouldn't blame the chief for that if that was the only means he had available to secure his firearm. You work with what you have; not with what you want. But I would also expect the Chief not to hold me to a higher standard of responsibility than he holds himself...