"Cell" by Stephen King - anti gun or just stupid?

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I like zombie fiction - "Cell" fits that category. A little ways into the novel, the subjects of interest are proposing venturing to the "Gun Nut" neighbor's house to try to acquire some weapons. King does his best to layer the "Gun Nut" neighbors with plenty of stereotypes regarding "Gun Nuts"... Here's a few of the quotes/excerpts from around page 149 of the paperback:

They arrive on scene to find that the wife has been attacked by the zombie daughter and killed with a rolling pin in self defense. The wife then shoots herself in the head with a pistol kept in the kitchen "where it had been waiting who knew how long for a burglar or rapist to appear"...

"From a gadget-boy like Arnie Nickerson he would have expected an automatic - maybe even one with a laser sight - but this was a plain old Colt .45 revolver."

"...no nonsense about making sure it was loaded if the gun was needed... No, with this old whore you just had to swing the barrel out... As he'd expected, only one of the six chambers was empty. He shook out one of the other loads, knowing just what he would find. Beth Nickerson's .45 was loaded with highly illegal cop-killer bullets. Fraggers. No wonder the top of her head was gone. The wonder was that she had any left at all."

"He safetied the revolver and stuck it in his belt."

"Here was something he would have to remember: give a nice little gay guy from Malden a roomful of guns to play with, he starts to say yo just like Sylvester Stallone."

They go on to find a weapons cache in the basement including a Kalashnikov with a wire stock, calling it a "machine gun" and talking about how many rounds per second it will fire. "Is something like that legal in Massachusetts?" "It is now, Alice."

You can read the book if you want and make up your own mind. My gripe is that King on one hand is giving the impression of how bad guns are and how much damage they do to people, how everyone with an NRA sticker on their "OPEC friendly SUV" is a "gun nut" with "cop killer" bullets and illegal machine guns and revolvers stashed all over the house, but at the same time these poor survivors are greatly coveting the guys weapons to protect themselves...

And since when did anyone make "cop killer" loads for the .45 COLT??? What kind of body armor is that expected to defeat except maybe clothing??? Last I checked most any bullet was capable of killing a police officer or anybody else. It's like saying that an AMC Pacer is a race car - technically you could race in just about any car but it might not be all that effective for the task.

I appreciate King's fiction but I felt like this was an ill-informed smear of legitimate gun owners. I guess that mini van accident may have caused permanent brain damage.
 
King doesn't know squat about guns. A big problem I've noticed in fiction is that those that really are accurate about guns tend to go into useless detail to show that they are accurate (the 150 grain boat tail soft point, moving at X feet per second, did Y...). It's like the authors are bragging about how much they know, and it ends up detracting some from the work. Meanwhile, those who don't know squat tend to just toss crap around and even push their own prejudices into their work, which again detracts. (Disclaimer: I don't have Monster Hunter International yet, but I plan to check it out; hopefully Correia beats the WTMI* bug.)

There isn't much of a happy medium.

If somebody gets their ideas on guns from any fictional work, be it a paperback novel, summer blockbuster movie, or a computer game, there's not much you can do for them. I just chalk up the errors found therein to ignorance and write them off (suspension of disbelief) in order to be entertained, just like any other plot hole.

*WTMI = Way Too Much Information
 
I've only read one King novel, and the several times he tried to go into detail about the guns the characters were using, he screwed up big time. Kind of detracted from the book (IIRC, he described the 7.62x39 round as being the size of a cigar, and he called a .38 Spcl revolver a "Colt Woodsman").
 
"...no nonsense about making sure it was loaded if the gun was needed... No, with this old whore you just had to swing the barrel out... As he'd expected, only one of the six chambers was empty."

Gee, I never knew you swung the BARREL out to check the status of a revolver!!!!!!!
 
Maybe I'm stupid, but whenever people describe Stephen King as a "master" of horror or suspense, I cringe a little. I've never read a book of his or seen a movie based on one of his books that didn't leave me feeling cheated out of the price of a movie ticket or the $0.50 I spent on the yard sale paperback.
 
Stephen King has a real affinity for putting Colt 45 revolvers in his books. I don't think there is any malice towards gun owners, he just has no serious knowlege of the guns his characters use. IMO, the quality of his writing deteriorated rapidly after he ceased substance abuse.
 
King is not a really gun guy and gets all sorts of details wrong in his books. I sometimes wonder if he deliberately does so by making up gun models, calibers, etc.

In defense of his portryal of that family, one of the main characters, a gay man, comments the gun owning family was friendly enough to him and compares them favorably to another, homophobic, neighbor. King throws around some stereotyopes but humanizes the gun owners little as well, they are certainly not pure evil.

And when society breaks down the heros sure seem glad to get access to the gun owning family's firearms :)
 
I recently read three WEB Griffin novels in his Presidential Agent series. His previous books I have read (Brotherhood of War, The Corps, and a series about the OSS) were usually dead on about guns in general, and often went into a lot of detail about them that I found interesting.

The Presidential Agent series, is often so far off base from reality as to make me wonder if they were even done by the same author. Not just gun stuff either. A lot of things that just don't/can't happen in the real world. The BOW and Corps series are done so well it is almost as if you are there watching it unfold. The series on the OSS is not as well done, and the PA series is almost a cartoon.

The last PA book said something about the .380ACP cartridge being the same as the 9mm Kurz (true), and then went on to claim it was used in Makarov pistols (not true).

The same book also had former East European KGB surrogates using a somewhat obscure SMG (Danish Madsen) in current times. Just seemed real unlikely to me.
 
Just stupid. One of the worst King books I've ever read, not only for the gun stuff.
Agreed.,an I'm a BIG fan of is stories, normally.I dont think there was any sort agenda,this one just hapened to stink pretty bad.
 
IIRC, he described the 7.62x39 round as being the size of a cigar, and he called a .38 Spcl revolver a "Colt Woodsman").

You're talking about "Thinner".

Stephen King does some really great work. His grandest story, The Dark Tower series, almost completely revolves around guns and the ability of the story's heros to use them.

Granted, he knows very little about firearms and does seem to take a liberal attitude towards many issues but I merely place his views in the same category of other entertainer Hollywood types which can be summed up below (a cut and paste from a Myspace page):


I believe that Hollywood actors need to learn to keep their damn mouths shut. Just because you pretend to be someone else for a living doesn't make you an expert on foreign policy. It also doesn't mean anyone gives a s**t what you have to say about anything. Now dance for me, puppet.
 
It was pretty clear in the first Dark Tower book that he didn't know much about guns, from the way he finessed Roland reloading in one of the early scenes (full disclosure--although I use SAA often, I don't try to reload quickly, so I might not be able to write a convincing description either, but I's at least mention the loading gate). At that, he didn't get it flat wrong, though.

I say this not to bury Stephen King, whom I generally like, though he is no James Joyce, or even Herman Wouk or JRR Tolkien. King's book On Writing is one of the best I've ever read on the subject, better (if just by a hair) than Ray Bradbury's Zen in the Art of Writing.
 
Actually, disregarding the firearms screw-ups, I thought that "Cell" was a great book right up until the ending. That ending was just cheap and lazy.

Biker
 
King has stated in interviews that he believes the reason for crime in America is the availability of guns. Almost all of his books contain factual gun errors. I do believe he is a great horror writer but he is far from a friend of gun owners.

gary
 
***Spoilers Ahoy***

I really used to like King's work, regardless of the (mis)information regarding firearms (that's not what I read them for...) but a lot of his newer stuff has seemed really inferior. "Cell" felt pretty incomplete to me, nobody ever figured out what caused the "switch". I guess the reader was never supposed to find out that much, but it would have been nice to get some hints beyond the wild speculation about an autodialer set to play a mind-erasing sound effect or whatever.

And the Dark Tower series really seemed to break down to me about the time he inserted himself as a character. And the end totally sucked. What a cop-out.
 
Read that book while stuck in an airport, reminded me why I stopped reading King after Misery.

It's fiction. If there can be cellphone induced zombies, then there can be colt .45 revolvers with safeties on them.
 
Endings are King's true downfall, not lack of knowledge about guns. I couldn't really give a crap if he gets technical details about guns right. I don't read novels for technical information; I read them to be entertained. If I want gun data I'll pick up something by Edward Ezell.
I've lost track of how many of King's novels I read that had interesting plots, outstanding dialog and characters, and a lame ending. It and The Stand spring immediately to mind. Despite his inability to write good endings, I continue to buy and read his books because of the joy in the journey even if the destination is lackluster.
 
Swing the barrel out? Safety on an old Colt? Illegal cop killer bullets? This just confirms my opinion that Stephen King is hugely overrated and will rightly be forgotten when the baby boomers finally kick their buckets. All politics aside, the man can't even get very basic facts right.

I don't read novels for technical information; I read them to be entertained.

I find it hard to be entertained by novels that make such monumental errors. Plus, firearms are an integral part of the drama in most horror. It would be like writing a novel where fast cars played a key role and describing how the hero hand cranked his 1960's Jaguar Benz with its illegal parafin boosters. I envy anyone who can overlook that kind of frothing nonsense in a major novel. I suppose I could if you gave me enough of that special cough syrup they give you when you have a really bad flu.

As far as King's ability as a writer, one of the most basic maxims of genre fiction is that if you want to make the dragon seem real everything around it must be as accurate and realistic as possible. The fact that there is a dragon must never be an excuse to get sloppy. So if you have a novel or movie about zombies, you need your characters to seem like real people and your props must be as realistic as possible within the parameters you have set. The further you get from this maxim, the more your work degenerates. King knows this, but he just doesn't care.
 
Never liked Steven King's writing. Pretty sure he is a anti. I read an article about him in the local paper not too long ago. He stated his support of several Liberal Democrat politicians in Maine.
 
He is wildly popular all over the world. Overrated? By all those people? Maybe you and I just have different definitions of the word overrated.

No, by overrated I mean overrated. If nobody bought his books he wouldn't be overrated. Popularity has never been a reliable indication of quality, and the used book stores are full of forgotten authors who were enormously popular in their day. King will join those ranks, or perhaps help to provide fuel to future generations as they turn his books into some form of biodiesel.
 
Some makarov pistols do use .380 ammo. All that is needed is to swap the barrel. Russians and bulgarians imported these into the US some years ago.
 
Swing the barrel out? Safety on an old Colt? This just confirms my opinion that Stephen King is hugely overrated and will rightly be forgotten when the baby boomers finally kick their buckets. All politics aside, the man can't even get very basic facts right.

Stephen King has sold many, many millions of copies of his books. He is wildly popular all over the world. Overrated? By all those people? Maybe you and I just have different definitions of the word overrated.
Look, you are a gun enthusiast so technical errors on guns seem like huge, glaring atrocities to you. But you know what? I guarantee you that you have read novels or seen movies where there were technical errors WRT areas where you are not personally knowledgeable. You didn't notice them and therefore you didn't care. Now here's a secret: not everybody cares as much about gun facts as you do. People who aren't gun enthusiasts don't notice and therefore don't care. A pretty fair number of gun enthusiasts do notice but just blow it off and move on because they are enjoying the story.
 
This just reenforces my decision to stop reading fiction. Real life is a lot more interesting anyway. Who in their right mind wants to read some anti-gun yankee prattle errors when you can read about real combat involving real people?
 
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