Center Access Relock Method of Gunfighting

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  1. incursion

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    I saw this on sigforum and was intrigued.

    http://www.sabretactical.com/Video_Clips/video_clips.html

    C.A.R., or The Center Axis Relock Method of Gunfighting

    Q. What is it?

    A. It is a gun fighting technique, not a range application.

    - It is a strong, stable, and flexible platform for action.
    - It allows quick target acquisition and rapid fire bursts
    of 4 shots to COM in under 1 second with standard pistols.
    - It can be used effectively in small spaces and vehicles.
    - It is applicable to team assault situations.
    - It provides maximum weapon retention, and also serves as
    a practical and effective base for contact fighting.

    The C.A.R. Center Axis Relock Method of Gunfighting
    utilizes two main positions or stances as bases for action.

    The High Position:

    The first position is called the High position. It is used
    for working within confined spaces, from cover, and while
    moving.

    It is a very strong and flexible base for using both short
    and long weapons such as a handgun, baton, O.C. Spray,
    shotgun, sub-machine gun, and other weapons.

    In the High position, the operator is in a semi-bladed
    stance, with the weapon held or cradled next to the chest.

    The position is achieved by blading towards the threat
    while also drawing and bringing the gun up to the chest.
    When the gun is drawn, it should be directed to the threat
    for firing if needed. Also, as the gun is being brought
    up, the other hand should be moving to grasp and support
    it.

    This base position reduces the Operator's silhouette,
    employs a balanced and stable, yet flexible body stance,
    and works in harmony with gross muscle movements, gross
    motor skills, and our natural reactions to extreme stress,
    one of which, is to bring the arms and hands back to the
    body, not away from it.

    The stance with elbows extended, makes up a natural cradle
    from which the gun can be fired if need be, with both hands
    or with just the gun hand.



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    Its framework sets up a circle of control and defense that
    makes it very difficult for an Aggressor to grab or take
    possession of the Operators handgun, Baton, or O.C. Spray.
    That is true regardless of the Operator's shape, size, or
    gender.

    The circle of control and defense is maintained by rotating
    towards a threat. In a contact situation, strikes with the
    elbows and the gun can be made, or the gun can be fired.



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    The position is comfortable, relaxed, does not pinch or
    restrict the Operator's breathing, can be used with full
    combat gear, and it can be maintained easily for extended
    periods of time.

    Fine motor skills are not utilized or relied on, as they,
    along with the ability to focus clearly, will be lost to
    most Operators in a close quarters life and death crisis
    situation. That is due to the increase in the heart rate,
    and the activation of the instinctive Fight or Flight
    response, both of which happen in such situations.

    The stability and ease of movement gained by using a bladed
    stance, along with keeping the gun at the operator's
    natural focal point, allows for fast acquisition of
    multiple targets.

    Also, the weak hand is up and ready for use in open doors,
    clearing the way, and other tasks.

    The thumbs can be placed anywhere, as long as their
    placement does not interfere with the workings of the gun.

    The Extended Position:

    The second C.A.R. position is called the Extended position.
    It is used for entry, combat, and assault. It also can be
    used effectively when seated inside a vehicle.



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    The Extended position or stance, allows for high levels of
    accuracy, as well as very rapid shooting while moving.

    The gun is held naturally and close to the Operators true
    focus point (normal reading distance).

    That is an enhancement over stances that employ full arm
    extension, as doing that takes the sights out of the
    Operator's natural focus point. And even more so if the
    Operator has glasses.

    Recoil Control

    With the C.A.R. system, recoil is reduced greatly. This
    reduction is achieved through the use of either of two
    main stances, and by "locking" the muscles and bones of
    the arms which is accomplished by slightly canting the gun
    hand.

    The canting movement, though slight, greatly enhances
    stability by changing the alignment and relationship of
    the muscles and bones in the gun hand arm.

    That locking action happens naturally and automatically
    when we fully extended our arms. At full extension, the
    wrists and lower arms automatically rotate slightly inward.

    If the wrists are purposely rotated upward, as with the
    isosceles and weaver, the arms lose the natural stability
    and control that results from the canting movement. Also,
    when the arms are held out straight, they form long levers
    with the shoulder joints being their fulcrum points. As
    such, they can be pushed up easily by the upward action of
    recoil forces, and take the gun off target.

    With the use of either the High or Extended C.A.R.
    positions, the length of the "arm bars" are reduced by
    half. Also, stability is improved when the arms are held
    closer to the body. And when the gun hand wrist is canted
    some, the bones and muscles in that arm will be naturally
    and effectively locked and stabilized.

    The result will be a great reduction in recoil effects,
    and a reduction in target reacquisition time.

    Also, as the gun is brought up to the Extended position,
    the gun hand elbow will automatically and mechanically
    swing out and up, which will further enhance control and
    stability.

    Reloads:

    Reloading, and malfunction clearances should be done close
    to the body with short movements for enhanced speed,
    control, and stability.

    Combat Reload Steps - The Combat Reload is usual made when
    the gun is empty.

    - Using the thumb and index finger, withdraw a magazine
    with the bullet heads facing the front.
    - The index finger should be along the side of magazine
    with its tip at the top end of the magazine.
    - Use the index finger to guide the magazine to the gun
    hand.
    - Lower the gun hand elbow (not the gun), to rotate the
    grip bottom towards the other hand.
    - When the charged magazine is ready for insertion, operate
    the magazine release and flick the wrist out and back if
    needed to eject the empty magazine.
    - Use the index finger to guide the charged magazine into
    the hole in the grip, and press it home with the palm of
    the hand.

    Tactical Reload Steps - It is usual made when gun is not
    empty.

    - Withdraw a charged magazine and hold it between the index
    and middle fingers like a cigarette.
    - As that hand nears the gun, drop the gun hand elbow.
    - As the hand with the charged magazine reaches the gun,
    activate the magazine release.
    - Withdraw the partially used magazine with the thumb and
    index finger.
    - Insert the charged magazine and press it home in one
    flowing movement.
    - The partially charged (old), magazine which be top heavy
    from the remaining bullets at its top, will fall sideways
    into the palm of the hand.
    - Secure it.

    As with most things, practice will improve performance and
    allow the Operator to minimize off target time.

    The C.A.R. System Learning Curve:

    The C.A.R. system learning curve is very short. There is
    immediate improvement in weapon retention, a great
    reduction in recoil, and Operators find that they can make
    multiple COM hits on targets while on the move and shooting
    very rapidly.

    In a recent session for 30 FBI Violent Crimes task force
    Agents and Officers, 4 rounds of 00 from a shotgun were
    placed onto 2 targets set 10 feet apart in under 1 second.

    In January 2002, in a basic class in King County, WA, every
    student put four rounds on center of target in under 1 sec.
    Many put five rounds on target in under one-second using
    standard Glock 40 pistols.

    Q. Why is there a need for this or systems similar to it
    at this time?

    A. Police casualty rates have not gone down in ten years.
    A. Over 90% of handgun confrontations occur under 7 yards.
    A. CQB shooting accuracy is under 20%.

    In short, tradition shooting methods which utilize the
    weaver or the isosceles stances, are not getting the job
    done.

    Here is what "GF" Fmr. SEAL 'Team 3 point/Sniper' said
    about the system: "The C.A.R. system is the first training
    system I have experienced that has truly been designed
    around the idea the Operators must train for Gun Fights.
    Unlike conventional systems that have evolved into training
    Operators to address paper targets, from a static line
    position."

    "Paul Castle has recognized what all true Operators know in
    their heart's to be true. The systems we have been taught
    (isosceles and weaver), are fairly effective in a range
    environment, but, have been proven IN BLOOD to be wholly
    ineffective in real gunfights."

    Paul Castle, the developer of the C.A.R. system, has had a
    distinguished career in Law Enforcement and training in
    Europe and America. His resume is both impressive and
    lengthy. More information on Paul, and the C.A.R. system
    is available on his web site.

    The C.A.R. system was developed over several years in
    response to, and as a means of dealing positively with the
    realities faced by Operators today.

    The information presented here, is just a brief intro to
    the basics of his system. The Course material is
    extensive, thorough, and includes instruction and action
    video tapes.

    There are several core skill modules or components which
    are in turn supported by 20 additional programs designed
    for specialized areas, such as Counter Drug, Counter
    Terrorism, Bio Hazard Environments, and Active - Shooter
    scenarios.

    What do you guys think?
     
  2. Soap

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    I suck with C.A.R. My problem with C.A.R. is that I can't get the recoil to go directly rearward like Paul Castle does. For some reason, it just flips upward and to the left. The fact that I can't do this properly negates one of the main advantages of his system. The C.A.R. seems to hold a lot of merit for shooting while moving and this is probably where it shines the best.
    Also, I think his style of whipping out the magazine during reloads is silly. On my 1911, trying to whip a magazine out just either throws it across the room (which is fine) or it makes it stick in the magwell. I think he has a lot to say but it definitely doesn't come naturally to me. However, I would use it if I had to fire over an object in a compact space, e.g., firing out of a driver's side window.
     
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    I am one of about 30 CAR Master Instructors and am listed as so on Sabretactical.com. I just got in from a SWAT call out and I'm beat. The CAR is simple but hard to learn from pictures or watching it on tape. Basically uses harmonious muscle placement by locking the wrist in it's normal position. My whole agency adopted the CAR. I will write more tomorrow.
     
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    I was looking at old threads at glocktalk and noticed that Paul Castle doesn't teach this technique to civilians. How are we, mere mortals, supposed to learn this method?
     
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    Since you can not learn it from a book or a tape I don't have and answer for it. I can explain it all day in writing and you will not understand it. It is true that as a rule we train only military and LE. I should add that their are a very few civilian instructors that have met Paul's approval including my Sensei at Reddragonjujitsu.com. Just as in our dojo we don't teach all teqniques to all people. This may piss people off. That is the brakes.
     
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    I've tried it, same time as Dan, and been unimpressed with the results. It is uncomfortable to get into position and recoil control is no better than my usual pseudo-Isometric stance (BTW, what's with the "rotating wrists upward?" My wrists are rotated downward in Iso.)

    I don't care for the technique, but it may work for others.

    - Chris
     
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    So far, I've found that my left hand (support hand) isn't comfortable. Do you have to alter your grip from the standard straight thumbs grip?
     
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    IIRC your off hand thumb points opposite of your strong hand; just like in a retention position.
     
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    Ah! That makes more sense.
     
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    If it does not work for you then you are not doing it right since it is a natural position. It is the only way a left handed shooter can engage a threat while seated in the drivers postion in a car. After an hour I can get ANY shooter to put four rounds dead center in under a second from the high position.
     
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    I far canted is your right hand supposed to be? In Castle's videos, it doesn't look like much, but in the photo with the operator with the gas mask, it looks a lot more radical. Is your right forearm supposed to be at nose level or what?
     
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    I have read about it and thought it pretty much sounded unnecessarily difficult and have seen it demonstrated now and am convinced it is unnecessarily difficult. The process seemed even worse with long guns.

    Another poster put forth this question and I think it really hit home as to whether or not CAR is necessary. That question was, "Is this really better than what we are already doing?" And as near as I can tell, the answer is NO and I would even argue that in many cases it is much worse.

    Where I have read about it, one thing was certain, the guy demonstrating the pistol hold in front of his face seemed to be in real risk of having the slide recoil back into his eye or forehead and the hold obliterated all vision from the center line and to the right (right handed hold). I don't know about y'all, but obliterating a significantly large area of my field of view is what I would consider to be unsound tactically and unsound in regard to safety.
     
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    mercop- I've spent a sizeable amount of time at the range and at my desk trying to learn CAR and I still can't get it. I normally pick up on techniques quickly. So if CAR is so "natural", why is it so hard to perform correctly?

    Double Naught Spy- Chris Rhines and I had that exact same conversation last night. I would completely agree with your statements.
     
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    It is not difficult. Stand in an interview stance and bring your hands up like you are going to protect yourself and with your gun in your hand. The gun should be canted in just enough to lock the wrist. The way it is when you punch. The slide WILL NOT hit your face. It places the front sight at normal reading distance where you are used to focusing. Can anyone give me the name of someone who was trained by Paul Castle or an instructor certified by him that is did not like and adopt the system for CQB? If you can give me his info, I would like to talk to him. Is it better than what we are doing now, hell yes. One of my guys just used it in a shooting. Three out of three rounds at 76 feet. The CAR is a fighting system for CQB not bull**** target shooting. It is the BEST method for retaining your weapon. I would have to write for hours about what it would take ten minutes and a magazine to prove on the range.
     
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    I definitely believe in this system. It just makes sense, but I it's tough to learn it from looking at videos/pictures and reading about the technique. I wish someone could show me. Who's trained in this system in TX?
     
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    mercop- I do have some doubts about its potential. Just like with hand to hand systems, there is no one system that will consistently beat out every other system. What works with your body dynamic may not work with another's body dynamics.

    Also, just color me insulted that I can't even get instruction since I'm a civilian. I completely understand that is your perogative but it still might bother some.

    Now that you stated that the strong hand should be aligned as in a punch, I'll have to try it again.
     
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    Dan, what gives you the impression that Paul only gives classes to the po-po???

    BTW, think three-quarters punch.
     
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    We have a bunch of instructors in TX. Their are techniques that I only teach SWAT because either patrol can't comprehend or is not interested. Same as with my Ju Jitsu. Anyone I meet and have no concern about them misusing the techniques many get an impromptu class because I love to teach. It is for this reason you will never see a how to video or book on CAR. With great power comes great responsibility. I believe all citizens should have firearms. That does not mean that I think they should know every trick in my book. I have little doubt that if I were to meet anyone that comes here on the range they would get a free mini CAR school. If anyone would like to e-mail in referece to CAR please do so. And I have not met anyone that CAR does not work for. It is however the only way a 100 lb female officer will protect her gun from a 200 goon.
     
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    ??? I have seen an instructional video on CAR (featuring Paul Castle), Dan has seen the same one, and I think Dan borrowed it from El Tejon. What gives?

    I'm always very leery about people claiming to know "the only way."

    - Chris
     
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    Chris, our gun-fu is so powerful that it MUST remain secret!:D Riiight.:rolleyes: (What was that Simpsons' episode where Bart "studies" karate and he tells everyone he knows the "quivering hand of death" or something akin to that?).

    It's good to know and has many advantages. But, there are many paths to true gun-fu, super-duper secret or not.
     
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    Yes we have videos we send out. But not the how to type. I should have said the "best" way I have seen instead of "only". If anyone is in my AO I would be happy to get some range time in.
     
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    Mercop -

    Cool. I may be in a position soon to take you up on that offer. Where in MD do you shoot?

    - Chris
     
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    Only God knows where I'll be travelling in the near future, so I would gladly take you up on your offer to shoot. Who knows, I might become a hardcore CAR fan in 5 minutes.
     
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    I invite anyone who comes to my AO on a ride a long and a mini CAR class. You will be hooked in a magazine. I am not one to adopt whatever comes along. I have also been involved with many "incidents". CAR blends well into the fighting system our dept has adopted. Mainly CAR with Ju Jitsu. We attack the attack when prudent. I am close to Aberdeen Proving Grounds.
     
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    Mercop-
    Know of anyone in the 4 state area, ( KS-MO-OK-AR), that could do a class? Have range open anytime for use.( since my wife and I own it), and I believe could get agencies interested.
     
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