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Tonight I was tasked with working with my team concentrating on low light shooting.
Due to the department just finishing qualifications I only had 100 rnds per operator. I am a Center Axis Relock Master Instructor under Paul Castle of Sabretactical.com. Since we adopted CAR in 2002 it is what we teach for gunfighting. For state qaulification I teach the dept to be better target shooters which is what it is, then during the rest of training we work on gunfighting. CAR like all good martial arts is based on the human response to stress. What even the biggest, lazyiest, fattest bastard will due under stress. If it will enable the lowest common denominator to survive it will work for everyone else. We are all hardwired the same.

Upon arrival on the range (six shooters) all lights were extinguished and only one SF with a red cover was used for checking targets. All drills were done on a Q target at 5-7 yards. Many strings started by me firing a live round thus conditioning them to repond to gunfire. Most shooting was one handed strong and weak. Officers on their back and sides and standing. At one point I set up six targets. The shooter started with his back to the targets. I would then shine a 60 lumen Surefire in his eyes. He would then turn and draw his weapon and engage the first two targets with double taps a 15 yards as soon as he could identify a target. He then moved to the 10 yrd line for the double tap on the next two and then move and double tap the last two at five yards. With all the rounds fired tonight I would say about 12-15 rnds were off the Q and none off the paper. The only time officers reported using the sights was at the first two fifteen yard targets as they reaquired their sights.

Picture #1 the CAR master grip from the side.
Picture #2 the best illustration of the master grip. The gun tilted imboard in the natural punch position. This creates harmony in the muscles and greatly reduces recoil decreasing the time of follow up shots.
 

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Hey merc. I'm not a fan of CAR, but it sounds like you guys did some good training. It'd be cool if more coppers gave up on bullseye shooting; or at least cut back on it.

I have a question about your grip. It looks like you're putting a good bit of pressure on the slide with your left thumb. Why so (if it is so) and have you ever had any sluggish cycling that is attributed to that position?
 
You should not give up on CAR without going to the school. There is very little pressure with the support hand. It is a handgun not a handsgun. the support hand is just that, support.
 
CAR's not gonna fly for me unless I decide to change everything about my fighting platform. I square up HTH, knife/stick, handgun and long gun.

Some people are happy with CAR but it doesn't float my boat. There's very little about it that I find helpful; the possible exception being firing a handgun out of a car window or similar positions, but I've been doing that the 'CAR' way without the CAR training for years.

:)
 
Looks like a good "prep" technique for leading to various off-hand flashlight techniques. Otherwise, seems a bit of a waste of a perfectly good support hand ;)

In my limited experience, using The Crush Grip (high thumb) fosters a much stronger "harmony of muscles and joints" and allows for vastly improved recoil control...which results in faster splits, smoother target to target transitions, and greater weapons control.

I suspect the difference is that folks who train seriously (as opposed to my 30k/year) move up to a higher level of weapons control and skill, while a semi-one-hand technique like the one stated seems a good place to start for the beginning shooters.

While I don't agree with the technique, the training itself sounds like a safe yet effective way to induce stress and reinforce the basics in a low light situation. I think I'll borrow it :)



Alex
 
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Within five yards if you are pulling your gun you better have your off hand up for fighting. Within say three yards when you get two hands on the gun and punch it out the baddie will naturaly try to grab or slap it away. For the people who have commented so far have you been trained in CAR or are you going off of what you have read or heard from others? Just wondering. As far as squaring off to your adversary, does that me you will stop moving to shoot or fight. If booth feet are together you can not move. Three things in every fight are movement, angles and light. By deciding to plant your feet to fight you take away your influence on at least movement. What about on steps. Will you wait to get to the landing to fight. As far as I am concerned there is no base in fighting or gunfighting. If you can get your hand on the pistol you can fight.
 
By squaring off I mean both my hips and shoulders face the target equally. Alot of guys like to adopt a bladed stance, wherein one side of the body is closer to the target.

The reason I choose to adopt a 'square' position is for greater mobility and range of motion.
 
Fights are a very fluid thing. I teach my people to draw and shoot after being knocked on their backs. Where your feet are only matters when shooting bullseyes. Training on the range for a gunfight is like training for NASCAR by driving on Rt 95.
 
Knocked on your back?

A little situational awareness training might be in order, although some knock down/one hand/off hand practice is a great thing it is by no means the only thing.

Granted, I've been training in close-quarters drill of one sort or another for 21 years on three continents, but I'm no expert, nor do I play one on TV. I am a serious semi-pro competitive combat pistol and 3-gun shooter, having graduated from "boring bullseyes" a decade back. I train and deploy with military security forces, and train with our local law enforcement (including Border Patrol and Customs, fun gentlemen all and a pleasure to spend range time with). There is just so much to learn that anyone claiming expert had better teach like Ayoob and shoot like Jarrett ;)

External stress...such as yelling, shining lights,and the like will only go so far. For the motivated student of combat pistolcraft, mastering internal stress is required for proper performance. No one can stress anyone out as bad as that person can stress themselves out :)

Back on topic...I'm a bit more fond of a forward 70/30 stance with a dropped strongside shoulder, but that is more of a "too much Shuri-te as a kid" thing. I'm working on more of a straight stance, for just the reasons Sanchezero mentioned. After the last fifty or sixty thousand rounds with the Crush (IPSC) grip, I'm a believer.

"Crush" grip is a light handshake pressure with the shooting hand, thumb pointed along the bore axis and riding the thumb safety (talking 1911, of course, instead of a Tuppergun or a SqueezinCruncher :) ). Non-shooting hand grasping the shooting hand (and the gun) rather tightly (the "crush"), heel of the non-shooting hand in the space between the end of the fingers and the heel of the shooting hand, thumb directly under the shooting hand thumb, also aligned along the bore axis.

Controls recoil, fast to get into, and solid enough for long range work. Actual results may vary, not to be taken with milk, do not operate heavy equipment :neener:



Alex
 
Wakal- you seem well heeled. Have you seen CAR demonstrated. I can shoot pretty targets but they have yet to shoot back. The reason we shooted from so many assed up positions is so when it happens you don't waist time going "oh crap, I have never shot like this before" and just do it.
 
Targets don' t shoot back.

Neither do leaking targets if properly engaged.

I'm always interested in new techniques, if ya ain't learning ya ain't gettin' better (as they say around these parts). I've been skimping on range time this week (in favor of machine time, building a new STI framed 1911 type...just a word of advice, never build a new and spiffy gun for yourself...your wife will want one for herself...and get it by threatening theft :D )

However, I was planning on spending tomorrow morning shooting, where I'll tinker with the CAR grip you posted such nice pictures of. Been meaning to run a few hundred rounds through the singlestack anyway, and having a nice excuse like a different grip concept helps... After that, I'll run the same drills with the Crush grip and see what happens. Not exactly a fair test, I know...perhaps I can find a rifle shooter and bribe them to run drills both ways on the clock. We all know those rifle guys can't shoot pistols so it will be a more equitable test :neener:

I like shooting from lots of different positions, too. High ports, low ports, left side/right side cover (high/medium/low), prone, under autos, over autos, through barrels...external stress to add to to the internal stress ;)

Alex
 
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