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Both Sides Blowing Smoke In Gun Debate
By Charles Krauthammer

Washington Post Writers Group

WASHINGTON, D.C. - In an election year you expect Washington to be full of phony arguments. But even a cynic must marvel at the all-round phoniness of the debate over repeal of the assault weapons ban. Both sides are blowing smoke.

The claim of the advocates that banning these 19 types of "assault weapons" will reduce the crime rate is laughable. (The term itself is priceless: What are all the other guns in America's home arsenal? Encounter weapons? Crime-enabling devices?) There are dozens of other weapons, the functional equivalent of these "assault weapons," that were left off the list and are perfect substitutes for anyone bent on mayhem.

On the other side you have Rep. Gerald Solomon, R-N.Y., demanding in trembling fury that the ban be repealed because his wife, alone in upstate New York, needs protection. Well, OK. But must it be an AK-47? Does, say, a .44 magnum - easier to carry, by the way - not suffice for issuing a credible "Go ahead, make my day"?

In fact, the assault weapons ban will have no significant effect either on the crime rate or on personal security. Nonetheless, it is a good idea, though for reasons its proponents dare not enunciate. I am not up for re-election. So let me elaborate the real logic of the ban:

It is simply crazy for a country as modern, industrial, advanced and now crowded as the United States to carry on its frontier infatuation with guns. Yes, we are a young country but the frontier has been closed for 100 years.

In 1992, there were 13,220 handgun murders in the United States. Canada (an equally young country, one might note) had 128; Britain, 33.

Ultimately, a civilized society must disarm its citizenry if it is to have a modicum of domestic tranquility of the kind enjoyed in sister democracies like Canada and Britain. Given the frontier history and individualist ideology of the United States, however, this will not come easily. It certainly cannot be done radically.

It will probably take one, maybe two generations. It might be 50 years before the United States gets to where Britain is today.

Passing a law like the assault weapons ban is a symbolic - purely symbolic - move in that direction. Its only real justification is not to reduce crime but to desensitize the public to the regulation of weapons in preparation for their ultimate confiscation. Its purpose is to spark debate, highlight the issue, make the case that the arms race between criminals and citizens is as dangerous as it is pointless.

De-escalation begins with a change in mentality. And that change in mentality starts with the symbolic yielding of certain types of weapons. The real steps, like the banning of handguns, will never occur unless this one is taken first, and even then not for decades.

What needs to happen before this change in mentality can occur? What must occur first - and this is where liberals are fighting the gun control issue from the wrong end - is a decrease in crime. So long as crime is ubiquitous, so long as Americans cannot entrust their personal safety to the authorities, they will never agree to disarm. There will be no gun control before there is real crime control.

True, part of the reason for the high crime rate is the ubiquity of guns - which makes the argument circular and a solution seem impossible. But there are other, egregious encouragements to crime that gun control advocates ignore at their peril. The lack of swift and certain retribution, for example.

In the United States, 4 (!) percent of all robberies result in time served. Tell your stickup man, "You can go to jail for this," and he can correctly respond, "25-to-1 says I don't."

Yes, Sarah Brady is doing God's work. Yes, in the end America must follow the way of other democracies and disarm. But there is not the slightest chance that it will occur until liberals join in the other fights to reduce the incidence of and increase the penalties for crime. Only then will there be a public receptive to the idea of real gun control. (Copyright, 1996, Washington Post Writers Group)

Charles Krauthammer's column appears Monday on editorial pages of The Times.

Copyright (c) 1996 Seattle Times Company, All Rights Reserved.


Here's a direct link to the source: http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19960408&slug=2323082

Edit: I removed my non-publicly accessible version and replaced it with the above one. The content is the same.
 
KRAUTHAMMER - "... Ultimately, a civilized society must disarm its citizenry if it is to have a modicum of domestic tranquility of the kind enjoyed in sister democracies like Canada and Britain. Given the frontier history and individualist ideology of the United States,...:


Krauthammer is unable to comprehend the fact that the United States of America is NOT England nor Canada, which live under a democratic Parliament that recognizes no natural or unalienable Rights of its subjects. The English and Canadians have government granted privileges, revokable at the whim of their politicans whenever they wish.

He has no understanding that we are not subjects-of-the-Crown, and we are individual citizens with natural or unalienable Rights in a Constitutional Republic, not a democracy.

Nor does Krauthammer have any use for hunting and hunters, recreactional shooting, competition, or self defense from vicious criminals.

A purely idealistic, naive "intellectual" who has no grasp on reality nor Human Nature.

L.W.
 
Nor does he realize that many other nations, (including Britain and particularly Scotland,) have much higher victimization rates than the U.S. Becoming like Britain and Canada is not something I want to strive for. The bulk of the gun crime in America comes from gang activity, drug trade, and ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. (THE SAME AS EUROPE, by the way.)

Thanks Jorg, I didn't know where to look for it.

At least he says that the idea of gun control before crime is reduced is ridiculous. Where I think he comes down is that he wishes that we lived in a world where it was logical to tell people to stop carrying guns, because it's safe enough you don't need to, but that time is decades away at best. And since he has largely been quiet on the issue for 13 years, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. I bet he will avoid the issue entirely, come over to our side, or continue to support leaders who support OTHER conservative ideals in addition to gun rights.

By the way, my email to his website was returned as delayed delivery.
 
1996.

I haven't heard much from Krauthammer about this stuff in a very long time. Has he written more since then?

Note that the idea of British "domestic tranquility" would seem rather laughable today, even 13 years later.
 
Thanks Jorg, I didn't know where to look for it.
I actually found it on LexisNexis, since I had the exact date and authors name. Then I googled part of the text to find a full text article that wasn't from a subscription site. It's much easier to find things when you've got the right tools.
 
Ok ok.... much to my chagrin, Krauthammer is an anti (refering to Jorg's post #26 at the top of this page). I admit I am both surprised and very disappointed.
I would never have guessed a man as intelligent would be a "utopianist."
I really don't know what to make of this.
I guess he's gone "inside the beltway" ..........:mad:
 
Krauthammer's anti-gun opinion from 1996 is absolutely in alignment with his recently expressed disdain for those who have spoken vigorously and protested loudly about the grab for our freedoms that is disguised as "health care reform". He is a denizen of the Beltway and subject to regular attacks of Potomac Fever, leaving the victim unable to understand common sense or think that civilization exists west of the Beltway. The very same thing happens to our elected representatives if we don't recycle them regularly.
 
It may not be too much to say that we are in a race with the Brits. Can the Libs impose gun control on us, so we will be like the civilized Brits, or will the British nation deteriorate into chaos before we are disarmed?? At this point it looks like a close run thing. Fortunately, the Dem.s are so busy shooting their feet off they have neither the time nor the stomach for Gun Control right now. If the British continue apace, appeasing and coddling, they will continue their decent into lawlessness, albeit a largely firearms free lawlessness.

I will cut Krauthammer a lot of slack; I have a hard time believing anyone who is normally so clear thinking will not come around. Perhaps he only needs a mugging, one advantage of his being inside the beltway is that this is a very real probability.
 
I googled this guy and the term gun control. I think you will find your answer in the following two articles.

He does seem to be contradictory.

In fact, the assault weapons ban will have no significant effect either on the crime rate or on personal security. Nonetheless, it is a good idea... Ultimately, a civilized society must disarm its citizenry if it is to have a modicum of domestic tranquility of the kind enjoyed by sister democracies such as Canada and Britain. Given the frontier history and individualist ideology of the Unisted States, however, this will not come easily. It certainly cannot be done radically. It will probably take one, maybe two generations. It might be 50 years before the United States gets to where Britain is today. Passing a law like the assault weapons ban is a symbolic –– purely symbolic –– move in that direction. Its only real justification is not to reduce crime but to desensitize the public to the regulation of weapons in preparation for their ultimate confiscation."



A Moment of Silence
By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, April 20, 2007

What can be said about the Virginia Tech massacre? Very little. What should be said? Even less. The lives of 32 innocents, chosen randomly and without purpose, are extinguished most brutally by a deeply disturbed gunman. With an event such as this, consisting of nothing but suffering and tragedy, the only important questions are those of theodicy, of divine justice. Unfortunately, in today's supercharged political atmosphere, there is the inevitable rush to get ideological mileage out of the carnage.

It did not take long for the perennial debate about gun control to break out, preceded by the inevitable scolding and clucking abroad about America's lax gun laws.

It is true that with far stricter gun laws, Cho Seung Hui might have had a harder time getting the weapons and ammunition needed to kill so relentlessly. Nonetheless, we should have no illusions about what laws can do. There are other ways to kill in large numbers, as Timothy McVeigh demonstrated. Determined killers will obtain guns no matter how strict the laws. And stricter controls could also keep guns out of the hands of law-abiding citizens using them in self-defense. The psychotic mass murder is rare; the armed household burglary is not.

If we are going to look for a political issue here, the more relevant is not gun control but psychosis control. We decided a half a century ago that our more eccentric and, indeed, crazy fellow citizens would not be easily locked in asylums. It was a humane decision, but with the inevitable consequence that some who really need quarantine are allowed to roam the streets

While he does notice that Cho is the problem, his previous statement makes me think he realizes that Crazies will always be Crazies, but banning guns so an angry husband doesn't shoot his wife, and so criminals have lesser access to guns will lead to greater peace and happiness.


seems mostly like an anti to me.
 
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