Charlie Daniels, spot on again!

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I don't buy the argument that Bush lied about Saddam having WMDs. As I said before, when Saddam refused to let our inspectors do their jobs we had no choice but to assume that he was developing WMDs.

I am sorry, but I stayed home from work the day that Colin Powell presented his case to the UN, to listen to it. He didn't produce one concrete fact. The evidence for going to war in Iraq was shoddy at best and most of the time just down right facetious.
 
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My gut reaction was to check Snopes.com, since plenty of essays like these are falsely attributed to celebrities. However, as the OP notes, the essay is off of CBD's own website, so looks kosher. Snopes actually covered several previous CDB essays, basically saying "yep, he did indeed write XYZ."

Unfortunately, net idjits keep posting similar (and boring) nationalist essays supposedly attributed to George Carlin or Robbin Williams, and Snopes shot those down.


Silly essay. He should stick to music. I still love the song "Easy Rider", though his later re-work (Easy Rider '89???) about a gay bar in Houston was not as amusing.

-MV
 
Originally posted by Pepper46:
Don't you think that there are "cells" within our borders?
How do you think 9/11 was accomplished. Those folks were here for a long time planning and preparing to do evil.
They were practicing the ulitimate gorilla warfare. they lived among us, trained and educated themselves as if they were lawabiding American citizens.
I don't think that most of us know what racial profiling or profiling of any kind really is.
If by "profiling" and using our intilligence could have prevented this, so be it.
To simplify it, calling an illegal immigrant an "undocument allien", is like calling a drug dealer and unlicensed pharmasist.
Call a spade a spade, get on with protecting our country and the foundation on which it was built.
I could call everyone that I disagree with an idiot, but when all things are considered, well it just doesn't look too good for the home team. To disagree is fine, to resort to name calling and character bashing, shows a great deal of immaturity.

What is profiling please explain that to us. How is it ok for the US government to revoke the rights of people simply because they are a different religion? Doesnt that go against the Bill of Rights directly? Ypu say we should protect the country and the foundation it was built upon yet you wrote before this statement that we should profile people.

So your saying that it is alright to call a spade a spade but it is wrong for me to say that Charlie Daniels is an idiot? He can call a whole religion of people, estimated at over 1.3 billion people, terrorists but I am not to call him an idiot? He has no basis to call all of them terrorists. Just a few. I have his writing to base my opinion off of. And his writing shows that he is a bigoted man who also happens to be an idiot.:neener:

By the way it is guerrilla not gorilla. And it is intelligence not intilligence. And you used the word "and" in place of an.

Please explain to us the proper definition of profiling. Its kind of hard to give you credibility when you misspell words.
 
I think we need to remember that profiling someone because of race or color of skin is no different than denying someone the right to own a gun. It’s about freedom and liberty. We talk about daily how our rights are being taken away. But yet some of us think its ok to label a person because of a religion. That’s a fine line to walk I think.

I haven’t posted much on this site but I have read a lot! I know we get upset when people label us gun toting rednecks that are just eager to shoot someone. When in all reality we are law abiding citizens that are passionate about our country, our righs, our history and our guns. With that being said I love Charley Daniels music. I think he is an American that is fed up with all this stuff just like the rest if us. I don’t think he is an idiot. Just a little misguided.
 
Just because some Terrorist's are Muslim, doesn't mean that all Muslims are Terrorists.

So when the cops say there is an APB for a white male, 6'2", 200lbs, the cops should stop blacks that are also 6'2", 200lbs so as not to racially profile?
Of course not. Muslims knocked down the building. It takes the brain power of a 5 year old to match colors and shapes. If you can't do that then some people need to go back to preschool.
That said, Iraq was the wrong step.
 

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So when the cops say there is an APB for a white male, 6'2", 200lbs, the cops should stop blacks that are also 6'2", 200lbs so as not to racially profile?
Of course not. Muslims knocked down the building. It takes the brain power of a 5 year old to match colors and shapes. If you can't do that then some people need to go back to preschool.

So I suppose that you can tell the Difference between a Persian and an Arab. Or an Arab and a Hindu. Or a Hindu and an Indonesian. etc. If you start racially profiling "Muslims" you are going to end up falsely accusing a wide range of people.
 
So when the cops say there is an APB for a white male, 6'2", 200lbs, the cops should stop blacks that are also 6'2", 200lbs so as not to racially profile?


I dont think that is profiling in the way this thread is talking about. I could be wrong but profiling an entire race of people due to the crazy ones amongst them is different than a cop putting out an APB on someone that has been somewhat identified.
 
Does anyone have an idea of a general physical description for Muslims? Anyone in favor of profiling want to take a shot at it?
 
Islam is not a race.

It's a worldwide religion -- the second largest religion -- with members from every race.

Consider three Muslim nations with strong Al Qaeda presences

  • Indonesia: The majority are Asians and look rather like Vietnamese or Cambodians.
  • Iran: The majority are Persians, who are Caucasians and look rather like Italians or Greeks.
  • Somalia: The majority are Sub-Saharan Africans. They're black.
I've got no ethical problems with profiling. I simply don't see how it can work in this situation.
 
Originally posted by Outlaws:
So when the cops say there is an APB for a white male, 6'2", 200lbs, the cops should stop blacks that are also 6'2", 200lbs so as not to racially profile?
Of course not. Muslims knocked down the building. It takes the brain power of a 5 year old to match colors and shapes. If you can't do that then some people need to go back to preschool.
That said, Iraq was the wrong step.

Profiling is assuming that because they are of a certain group/race/religion that they are going to commit the crime. If I assume that all Muslims are going to commit a terrorist act then I am profiling. If I assume that all Hispanics are illegals then I am profiling. If I assume that all White People are serial killers then I am profiling. Etc. Etc.

Profiling someone violates their 4th, 5th, and 6th ammendment rights. And to profile based on religion may violate the 1st amendment rights of the profiled person.
 
Profiling someone violates their 4th, 5th, and 6th ammendment rights. And to profile based on religion may violate the 1st amendment rights of the profiled person.

I agree with you that profiling is stupid -- especially in this case. But you're wrong about it violating those rights.

4th -- There're no protections related to suspicion. Profiling is just a matter of watching. You can profile and not violate the 4th as long as you search and seize only with reasonable cause.

5th -- Profiling doesn't take life, liberty or property. It doesn't compel someone to testify against himself. Etc.

6th -- Profiling doesn't stop a speedy trial. It doesn't stop due process. It doesn't stop access to counsel. Etc.

1st -- Profiling doesn't prohibit the free exercise of religion, etc.
 
Ol' Charlie just sounds like a fed up American to me. As for sources to the sleeper cells I believe those numbers have been coughed up by a number of our alphabet bunch. FBI CIA TSA and so on.
 
The 4th amendment is a stretch. However profiling is often used to stop and search people. The phenomeneon called "Driving while black, or DWB for short" is an example of this.

If you profile someone and start to investigate them simply becuase they are a certain race/religion/color then you are violating their 4th amendment rights because they are no longer secure in their person.

Looking at someone and thinking they are a terrorist is bigoted however investigating them and taking action against them for their religion is against their rights.

I would argue that if you profile someone and stop them, like TSA at an airport, you are depriving them of life and liberty without due process of law. That would violate the 5th amendment.

The 6th amendment is easy. If you stop them, you should be able to tell them what they were stopped for.

I guess I should have clarified that my interpretation of what Charlie Daniels meant by profiling is that he thinks we should stop and harass Muslims because some of them are terrorists. When I stay stop I mean they should be forced to go through extra checks and scrutinized more.

In general though profiling is where actual arrest/stop/detaining someone is taking place. If you look at someone and assume that they are a thief because they are black, or an illegal because they are hispanic, or a terrorist because they are Muslim then you are just stereotyping. But profiling is controversial because it requires action be taken on the basis of a stereotype.
 
All Bush had to do was send in more inspectors and use military force to make Saddam show them all sites.
He did.

(What do you THINK "send in more inspectors and use military force" amounts to? :banghead: )
 
Go Tecumseh. The law applies to all people, scumbag drug dealers and otherwise.

Charlie Daniels came off a little too close in resemblance to the cliched "hoo wee i loves most modern country usa hurrah" stereotype- yeah, sometimes someone needs to say it like it needs to be said, but this is too full of blatant ignorance to the world at large to be taken seriously.
 
How does he know their are 7 sleeper cells in major cities.

As another poster has stated, this has been stated numerous times by the alphabet agencies.


Sorry Charlie, all the flag waving and chest thumping does not hide the fact we where lied to by our Government to get us involved in a "War on Terror".

We were not lied to in order to get us involved in a “War on Terror.” Terrorist have been at war with us for a long time. After 9/11, someone did something about it. For those that have a hard time remembering, there were NUMEROUS terrorist attacks PRIOR to 9/11 and PRIOR to Bush being in office.


The whole "Do you still think Islam is a Religion of Peace" spiel is just nothing but plain old fashioned bigotry against Muslims.

Just because some Terrorist's are Muslim, doesn't mean that all Muslims are Terrorists.

He can call a whole religion of people, estimated at over 1.3 billion people, terrorists but I am not to call him an idiot? He has no basis to call all of them terrorists. Just a few.

If you start racially profiling "Muslims" you are going to end up falsely accusing a wide range of people.


This is where some problems arise. I agree 100% that—by FAR—most Middle Easterners, Muslims, or both are NOT a threat. I agree that the amount of persons in these categories that WOULD choose to commit an act of terrorism is a VERY minimal percentage.

That said, you have to consider that if even 1% of these groups were to choose to become actively terrorists (I have seen the 1% number used in the past as the potential activated amount, but am skeptical of even how such a number could be derived—but lets use it for illustration purposes only for the moment), they you would be looking at 1,300,000 persons who ARE an active threat globally. That does create a basis for being aware of our current situation. Whether anyone chooses to admit this or not, such a number represents a very disturbing, and very valid threat to our country. So if people tend to have a heightened sense of awareness, this does have a basis. Where this gets us into trouble is when our civil liberties are compromised on the basis of a “what if” scenario. I am probably in the minority when I say this, but I will choose our Rights over our Security EVEN if I were to believe it could result in another terrorist tragedy in the US. I think the elimination of our rights would be a far worse tragedy.



Profiling is assuming that because they are of a certain group/race/religion that they are going to commit the crime.

No. I would not say “Profiling… that they ARE going to commit a crime.” This is where a lot of people become frayed at the edges. I’d say that the assumption isn’t that “they ARE going to commit a crime,” but rather that there becomes a heightened sense of awareness present. This heightened awareness is not without basis in human experience. Repeatedly, I see people even in THIS community relay experiences of raising their awareness around people based upon a “gangsta” appearance, etc. That is part of the survival instinct. Whether you want to admit this or not, we are currently in a conflict involving people of Middle Eastern descent, and are primarily Muslim. The reasoning becomes that if there were to be another attack, the odds favor that the orchestrater of has a significant chance of being a Muslim of Middle Eastern origin. This, in no way, suggests that ALL Muslims or ALL Middle Easterners are going to commit such an act—it isn’t even suggesting that any substantial percentage of those groups would EVER consider such an act. What this does show evidence of is a realization of our current conflict and a sound, if unsettling reasoning process. Where a line is crossed is HOW we deal with a heightened sense of awareness and any actions inappropriately taken based upon this.



In general though profiling is where actual arrest/stop/detaining someone is taking place. If you look at someone and assume that they are a thief because they are black, or an illegal because they are hispanic, or a terrorist because they are Muslim then you are just stereotyping. But profiling is controversial because it requires action be taken on the basis of a stereotype.


I think we are in agreement in this assessment. Stereotyping is largely an internal, mental exercise. It exists in everyone to some degree. Profiling, as you are defining it here, is an external, action-based activity. As I referred to in the last response, this is where the problems develop.




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charlie daniels is a great american and patriot and should be run for president. his no nonsence attitude and political incorectness is just wat we need.

we'd all be better off
 
Originally posted by Stauble:
charlie daniels is a great american and patriot and should be run for president. his no nonsence attitude and political incorectness is just wat we need.

we'd all be better off

Yes because the founding fathers would have approved of violating peoples rights simply because you do not like their religion.

Got to love people who think racism, what you call "political incorrectness", is just what this country needs.

Please use a spellcheck program. Because with your views and spelling I could "profile" you and I am sure you would not like it.
 
Tecumseh, is it really racism when you hate people based on their religion? I don't think so. Like somebody said before, Muslims are in every race. So hating Muslims isn't actually racist.....it's just a prejudice towards Muslims. Keep spurting off about racism all you want....it has nothing to do with Muslims as there is no Muslim race, only Muslim religion.

And I believe Stauble is partially correct. This whole Politically Correct thing is what's killing this country. Everybodys scared to do something about this or that for fear of being called a racist or prejudice against this or that.

Lets use illegal immigration as an example. I have nothing against hispanics, but I do believe illegal immigration from Mexico is out of hand. I'd say most people refuse to sound off on it as it could be termed as being racist and not politically correct. The majority of this country is too scared to show their opinions for fear of being torn apart for not being politically correct. Yes, it does get out of hand by some crazy people who do cross the line into extreme prejudice. I'd like to see more people through being PC out of the window and think more on the lines of what's best for my country instead of, how do I go about doing this without offending somebody?
 
Not going to spoonfeed anyone here.

Those of you whining about the way things are being done in Iraq by the current administration need to take a look at how and why things were done during the first Gulf War. Things were not finished properly due to several factors and the current administration (I'm not a huge fan anymore, either) took steps to correct those issues. Now folks are crying that we should have done it the way it was done last time. News Flash: Last time is the reason we're there again now. If you want lengthy explanations, go research it yourself, it's not hard. Look into what happens when you have a military objective and ask a coalition of nations to help you.

Now on to the CDB rant against Muslims. For the most part, he's correct. There are indeed Muslims who practice a civilized version (maybe the correct version?) of Islam. It's also true that the active terrorists and suicide bombers are a minority. However, the majority of Islam lends tacit support to that minority. Therein lies the difference between the crusades (a favorite touchstone of those likening Islam and Christianity). There was a large dissenting voice during the crusades, but they were shut down early on. There is no large dissenting voice in Islam, merely individuals who chose to think for themselves.
 
Because with your views and spelling I could "profile" you and I am sure you would not like it.

go for it boss man

if this "profile" includes the word "redneck" or "cracker" then its nothing i havent heard before nor is it something that offends me, hurts my feelings, or lowers my self esteem.:D


as for my "views" you speak of, they very often go along with those of mr. Charlie Daniels'
 
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