Charlotte's Police Chief Lied

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Remember a few weeks back an article appear about a dust up in Charlotte when some locals opted for open carry in uptown Charlotte. The local rag reported the police responded to calls even though it is perfectly legal to open carry. Seems shortly thereafter the Chief forwarded a proposal to city council to ban open carry in spite of being perfectly legal at the state level.

Wweeeeeelllll, it seems the good Chief is factually challenged. Grassroots NC blows the whistle on a lying ossifer of the law:

http://www.grnc.org/alerts/alert10_20_05.htm


Charlotte Police Chief Misleads On Open Carry
GRNC has been keeping you apprised of a developing situation in Charlotte in which the police chief is attempting to coerce the city council to pass an ordinance baring open carry in the city. On Oct. 10th they sent the motion back to the City Manager for 3 to 4 weeks of further study, likely designed to avoid a controversial issue until after the election.

HOW MAY COMPLAINTS? ZERO!

Supposedly, the call arose out of four 911 calls from concerned citizens regarding people carrying holstered handguns in plain view in the uptown area. On Wednesday, Oct. 19, the Charlotte Observer made a startling revelation; THERE WERE NO SUCH CALLS. No citizens were upset; these were internal police calls, not 911 calls.

Police spokesman Keith Bridges said, "There were no other citizens. There were no 911 calls. That was a misspeak because of misinformation."

City Council member John Tabor feels that the chief should have checked his facts more closely. He is quoted as saying, "When the chief comes to us with something as controversial as that, he sure as hell should have his facts right."

If GRNC and the Charlotte Observer had not pressed the matter, there is little doubt that the "misinformation" would have remained conveniently misspoken. There are two main possibilities here, did Police Chief DARREL STEPHENS deliberately "misspeak" (it seems that there is a 3-letter word for deliberately misspeaking) or was he just plain sloppy. Of course there is a third possibility; perhaps Chief Stephens is so driven by the opportunity to push an anti-gun agenda that he didn't care enough about the truth to get his facts straight before reporting the version most likely to accomplish his goal. Whatever the case, it raises serious questions about Chief Stephens's ethics and/or competence.

GRNC President Paul Valone had this to say when asked by the Observer, "Although (we are) accustomed to bureaucrats trying to undermine the right to self-protection, the audacity of lying to the City Council in order to create the perception of a problem when none exists stuns even us."

As stated before, no problems arose from the four incidents cited. The Observer reported Bridges as saying, "All four men were legally carrying guns and did not have any outstanding warrants." In two of the cases, he stated, that the men even placated the concerned officers by locking the weapons in question in their cars, despite the fact that they were not violating any laws.
 
Charlotte is quickly becoming the cess pool of the south. It is the honest citizens that are doing this. When I go up there to visit the inlaws, I cannot believe the crimes I read about in the paper. Mostly though, are gang on gang murders.
 
DocZinn said:
Surprised?

Not at all! Indeed, as sad as it may be, there are many police chiefs across the nation that are dead set AGAINST guns in the hands of private citizens...

The problem is, regretably, that some of these law enforcement officers thrive on the warped ego trip - and the mistaken belief - that they alone are allowed to own and carry firearms...

I can't tell you how many times I have been hasseled about carrying guns while doing it legally... some of these law enforcement types object strongly to the idea of private ownership...

However, there are many in the law enforcement profession dedicated to honorable service that are a credit to their badge and for them, such actions as this Charlotte Police Chief, are an insult to the profession!
 
ScottsGT said:
Charlotte is quickly becoming the cess pool of the south. It is the honest citizens that are doing this. When I go up there to visit the inlaws, I cannot believe the crimes I read about in the paper. Mostly though, are gang on gang murders.

It grew too quickly. When I lived there up til 1993, it was a beautiful big town with small-town feel. However, the transplant Yankees came down in droves starting in the late 80s, said everything had to be "the way we do it up NORTH" and it went downhill from there.

Add in the fact that NC is one of the 5 easiest states for illegals to get driver licenses, and you have a true mess.
 
Live in NC, been to Charlotte a bunch, unimpressed each time. Too big, too crowded. Lived in RTP (Research Triange Park--Raleigh-Durham area) and moved away. Too big, was getting too crowded. Both areas overrun by immigrants from "up nawth". :)

This report just confirms my conclusion that the large cities in the state aren't really part of North Carolina (or at least the NC I grew up in) any longer. I'll stick to the small towns.

Heck, the one I'm in is starting to feel too crowded. I may have to pull a Daniel Boone and start making my way west. :rolleyes:
 
ScottsGT said:
Charlotte is quickly becoming the cess pool of the south. It is the honest citizens that are doing this. When I go up there to visit the inlaws, I cannot believe the crimes I read about in the paper. Mostly though, are gang on gang murders.
It’s already a cesspool. They had to extend the local news time just to cover all the police reports.
 
Just to clarify to some that might not know, NC law requires that if you carry a gun in your car, it has to be in "plain sight" or open carry. If you have a gun in your car, you should put it on the instrument panel of the car so officer can see it. Unfortunatly, that also puts the officer in extreme peril IMO. If a bad guy has bad intentions, the gun is right there waiting for him to grab it and shoot the officer before he can react. Having served in law enforcement in FL, I was much more comfortable with guns concealed, where time for a bad guy to get one into action would likely have been longer. Usually we found them under seats, between seats etc. On some occasions, felons were stopped when they were making suspicious movements, later finding guns where they were fishing about.
NC law on carrying weapons in cars is insane IMO. Far better to have a FL type law, where folks can adequately transport providing security for themselves.
Charlotte chief isn't talking about folks walking around with weapons on their hips in general. He is talking about taking away the right to carry in the car at all.
 
I have lived in the Charlotte area or within 5 miles for all my life,43 years...It used to be a great place to live.The liberals have taken over Mecklenburg county and the result is shown in examples like the one above.
I live in a neighboring county now and it is becoming the same to some extent.Too many immigrants,legal and other wise have made their way here and taken away what made it so desirable...with the help of the local gov't.
The local police departments refuse to recognize the illeagal immigrant problem along with the gang problems.2 shootings at one mall in 1 week and another shooting on Tryon st related to the mall shooting.
I grew up on 98 acre farm which was sold many years ago in Chlt and to ride thru the old neighborhood now is so saddening-it's one of those things where it is hard to imagine it was ever new.
 
Well, crap. I live here. I don't know to be happy no citizen complained or annoyed the police hassled people. :cuss:
 
That was a misspeak because of misinformation."
You gotta admit this is a great quote; guy sounds more like a president's press secretary than a PD spokesman ...

However, the transplant Yankees came down in droves starting in the late 80s, said everything had to be "the way we do it up NORTH" and it went downhill from there.
Blaming the Yankees? Sad; this Yankee came within a hair of going to Duke, always loved NC ... Sorry to hear native North Carolinians bummed about their own state ...
 
The law does not do what you say it does.

Gunpacker said:
Just to clarify to some that might not know, NC law requires that if you carry a gun in your car, it has to be in "plain sight" or open carry. If you have a gun in your car, you should put it on the instrument panel of the car so officer can see it. Unfortunatly, that also puts the officer in extreme peril IMO. If a bad guy has bad intentions, the gun is right there waiting for him to grab it and shoot the officer before he can react. Having served in law enforcement in FL, I was much more comfortable with guns concealed, where time for a bad guy to get one into action would likely have been longer. Usually we found them under seats, between seats etc. On some occasions, felons were stopped when they were making suspicious movements, later finding guns where they were fishing about.
NC law on carrying weapons in cars is insane IMO. Far better to have a FL type law, where folks can adequately transport providing security for themselves.
Charlotte chief isn't talking about folks walking around with weapons on their hips in general. He is talking about taking away the right to carry in the car at all.

People with Concealed Weapons Permits may carry on their person while in their car. You may lock a weapon in your trunk or other inaccessible area if you do not have a permit.

http://www.nccrimecontrol.org/Index2.cfm?a=000003,000014,000935,000941

You may also carry openly in the manner in which you described, in accordance with our state constitution.

When outside of a vehicle it is permissible to openly carry a weapon regardless of whether or not you have a permit. Please feel free to visit our state and enjoy our hospitality, barbecue, and beautiful scenery.

The Charlotte chief is talking about an ordinance specifically directed against wearing handguns. Mayor McCrory has assured me that "I agree entirely that there is no need for an ordinance and we are taking no action on an ordinance."
 
Blaming the Yankees? Sad; this Yankee came within a hair of going to Duke, always loved NC ... Sorry to hear native North Carolinians bummed about their own state ...

If you liked NC and didnt' want to change it, then you are a Northerner, not a Yankee. As a native Tarheel, allow me to explain a bit of Southern wisdom:
--Northerners are folks from up North.
--Yankees are folks from up North who are rude, arrogant, and always complaining that the South does things differently than up North.
--Damyankees are the Yankees that moved here and stayed:neener:

Ask Atlas Shrug: Cary, a small town outside of Raleigh, has been nicknamed "Containment Area for Relocated Yankees":evil:
 
spartacus2002 said:
Ask Atlas Shrug: Cary, a small town outside of Raleigh, has been nicknamed "Containment Area for Relocated Yankees":evil:
Going to NC State and having a number of friends that live in C.A.R.Y., perhaps I should enlighten those not in this area on what problems C.A.R.Y. has.

Cary imposed an open carry ban sometime last year
Everything is over priced
It's a filled with mcmansions, gated communities, and therein resides head of the local BATF.
The city ordinances are backwards (note open carry ban), and one such one will not allow a Bojangles to be built in Cary. So Bojos built a resturant just across the Cary border in Apex. :evil:
 
did Police Chief DARREL STEPHENS deliberately "misspeak"


Is this the same Darrel Stephens who was police chief in Los Angeles and St. Petersburg and was run out of both towns?
 
...you're still not over that little unpleasentness...

--Yankees are folks from up North who are rude, arrogant, and always complaining that the South does things differently than up North.---spartacus2002

Tell the truth Spartacus2002, you're still not over that little unpleasantness of the early 1860s, are you? :)


Respectfully,

jdkelly
 
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