Charlton Heston dead at 84

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It was never YOUR interpretation of his words at all was it, your entire argument was fed to you by VPC.
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Ding ding ding ding! We have a winner.

I really hoped a fellow member of the highroad would think twice before buying into the skewed words an anti org. such as the VPC, but apparently I'm wrong...I might even be inclined to forgive someone for those statements , in hopes that they were just mislead and didn't think through their statements before speaking....If it weren't at such an inopportune time.



Just tasteless.:barf:
 
Let's set the record straight

Bloodedsky,

This will probably be my last response to you in defense of my friend, now deceased, Mr. Heston. This also might very well get me banned from The High Road, but if so, I can't think of a more worthy reason or way to go.

The speeches you quote from the rabidly anti-gun and anti-freedom VPC, were indeed given by Mr. Heston. I know because I and my colleagues wrote many of them and many more just like them.

What you miss in your slanderous attacks and purposeful falsehoods is the context in which and why the speeches originated in the first place.

You see, Bloodedsky, we believe in freedom and we believe that the Bill of Rights is not a document made up of "separate but equal chapters." No, Bloodedsky, we believe that the Bill of Rights protects ALL civil rights and that the Second Amendment is both the brawn and fortress that protects ALL civil rights.

I've lost count of the number of speeches I wrote for Mr. Heston and Mr. LaPierre and other visible figures within the NRA in which I put in the line from Thomas Jefferson that "Sometimes a little revolution is a GOOD thing."

Taken in sheer context in the way you obviously do, you would have us believe that Mr. Heston favored an armed overthrow of the government. When we first put that line in one of Mr. Heston's earliest speeches, he called us up and told us that "he loved it!" because it nailed the essence of his core of values and beliefs.

After all, Mr. Heston marched with Dr. King at a time in which detractors of the Civil Rights Movement decried that the "Negros wanted an armed revolution."

They did not. They simply wanted the eqaulity that our Declaration of Independence promises and that our Constitution guarantees. They weren't getting it, so they marched and defied some minor laws in the name of civil disobedience.

It was a little revolution, and it was a good thing.

In a series of these speeches, Mr. Heston is bemoaning the fact that Political Correctness has served to segregate us more than integrate us--a concept he and I discussed more than once.

The Charlton Heston I knew and admired despised segregation. Who knows? Maybe he was for it as a young man. I know that I certainly wasn't as smart and knowledgeable thirty years ago as I am today. I made mistakes. I said things that weren't smart. I even thought I believed in some things that I later found out were distasteful and simply not true. I have tried very hard to atone for those things.

If someone cannot get over that, it is no sweat off my butt--you can't change who you were, but you can damn sure change who you are. You can't change the past, but you can damn well affect the future.

And Mr. Heston did that. He helped change the present and future for generations of Americans of all colors, creed and gender with his work for civil rights for ALL.

He also helped change the present and future for gun owners, which is what this forum, The High Road, is all about.

If you cannot or will not accept that, then I submit you are a fraud with your own agenda and should go apply your poisonous, crap-filled vile somewhere else.

Jeff
 
RIP, Its a real loss for us I think...

So as far as the NRA goes, who replaces him???

A few days ago one of my shooting buds said he thought C.H. was
not going to be around much longer and he speculated on Ted Nugent being the next Spokesperson...
 
Defending A Great Man

TexasSkyhawk, you're doing fine. Passion in defense of honor, that doesn't bother me at all.

Trolling, on the other hand, especially in a thread honoring a man of great worth, does in fact chap my cheeks.

It's reminiscent of rabid bigots picketing a soldier's funeral.

Farewell, Mr. President. When the time comes, I'll see you at the range.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have an appointment with some Billy Goats Gruff.
 
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Here's that "racist" himself, marching with King a LONG time before that was considered a safe or acceptable thing by the Hollywood elite. Of white celebs, IIRC it was just him, Brando and a few others. The rest of them expressed sympathy, but King was still far too dangerous as was the CRM. Heston, as always, made his own mind up about the matter and stood up to be counted. I very much doubt he consulted any PR firm before doing it, or anything else. This is how Michael Moore was able to trick his way into Heston's confidence so easily. There was no spin and no media machine--it was always just Heston. He was the same way in his profession, tirelessly championing directors and actors the studios were scared of. Sam Peckinpah, for example.

So as far as the NRA goes, who replaces him???
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Nobody ever could. He was one of a kind, and cast out of a mold that's been broken for quite some time.
 
Thanks to all that have contributed comments and stories about Mr. Heston, it is nice to get more background and history on a great man.

My apologies as this has been quoted ad infinity, but is it even possible to not get excited and energized when you see a clip of Mr. Heston holding his musket and saying, "From my cold dead hands". - Incredible! Very inspiring. I wish more people had that kind of passion for the 2nd amendment and for liberty in general. (even though there are many that are passionate)
 
Mr. Heston's passing is sad news -- almost as sad as when he announced he was suffering from Alzheimers. I truly miss his leadership as NRA president, and his articulate support of the RKBA.

God bless and keep you, Mr. Heston. In the unlikely event that I ever make it to heaven, I'll be sure to ask for your autograph.
 
He is truely an American hero and will be missed by many. The world is a better place because Charlton Heston lived! I am really sorry for the loss his family and our nation must endure. I think he is in a better place.
 
The Lord bless thee, and keep thee: The Lord make His face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee: The Lord lift up His countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

Amen

Rest in Peace
 
A very touching memory of Mr Heston that I found on a site run by Jerry Pournelle http://www.jerrypournelle.com/mail/2008/Q2/mail513.html#Monday:
Subject: Charlton Heston

In 1978 I was a messenger.

One day I was given a package of checks to take to Charlton Heston for his signature and I was to return them after that was done.

After being let through by a guard I went up to the house's front door where he greeted me.

He shook my hand and led me to a large office and put me in a seat in front of his desk, across from him.

On his desk were many small souvenirs of trips he had taken. He told me I could examine them and proceeded tell me stories about each of them, while he signed the checks.

There was one particularly nice small carved piece of African origin. While I was looking it it broke. He told me not to worry, that the piece had been broken for some time. This was obviously a lie, but it was a truly gentlemanly thing to say.

Yours truly,

Mike Frank
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Mike101 wrote: Did the man ever make a bad movie? I don't think so.
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I don’t think so either. The man was an icon.

There is one thing in life you can be sure of: either at Easter or Christmas you will see at least one film staring Charlton Heston dressed in nothing more than a loincloth!

My Mother, like me, was a great fan and would have ‘crawled across glass’ just to touch him - I guess, at last, she’ll get to meet him now.

Great guy ... stood up for what he believed in – sadly missed from across ‘the pond’

R.I.P.
 
I was once one of those that thought the II-A was a useless anachronism from a remote and nearly irrelevant past. I am ashamed to admit it today, but apparently do so in good company.

I was surprised to learn from this thread that apparently Mr Heston once supported some of the early attempts at gun control (in the wake of the 60's assasinations).

It seems that since that time he was able to recognize (as I have) the emotionally-charged fallacies that underlay those efforts.

Mr Heston, as a truly independant thinker, spanned and transcended liberal and conservative positions, proving to me that patriotic support of our revolutionary principals do - and should - transcend party affiliations.
 
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http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/080405/clsa013.html?.v=11

http://nrawinningteam.com/heston.html

http://nrawinningteam.com/hestquot.html

I was honored to walk the floor of the NRA convention in Seattle '97 with Mr. Heston when he first ran for the board. I still hand out flyers for the board member election on the floor for friends and "must stay on" board members and sometimes, you can't give 'em away. But this time, I was able to shout out, "...and if you have any questions for Mr. Heston, he's right here with me to address them..." Well, attending members didn't ignore THOSE flyers! As you would imagine, in no time, there was quite a crowd.

At the end of the event, during teardown, I grabbed one of the larger wall posters and went around asking NRA leaders to sign it. Of course, it is an item I shall never part with. The signature in the middle is Mr. Heston's, not printed on the paper, I caught him as he was leaving a board meeting. He carried this great marker for autographs.
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I had the pleasure of meeting him a few more times, he even came over to the "California Team"'s dinner table at one dinner to say hi especially to us.

It may have been that year or the next, but the hotel featured a large round "bar area" with table seating in the middle of the lobby. At the end of the entire week's work, several of the board members as well as volunteers were sitting around at the tables, enjoying adult beverages where desired. Out of the lobby elevator steps Mr. Heston, carrying his own suitcase! As you might imagine, there were no end of offers to carry it for him as he exited the hotel to find a cab. He stopped by to say hello but when the issue was again raised about carrying his bag for him, he would have none of it. Yet, this legend took Clinton on, head-on and won. He changed the direction of America's discussion about firearms as no other person could and dedicated himself to a huge cause when most use those Golden Years to rest.

You'll read in a million places what a great figure he was. This one comes from me.

Mike
 
I haven't had a chance to read all the other posts, but just wanted to add my blessings to the memory of Mr. Heston, and to extend my deepest condolences to his family, and to all others fortunate enough to have crossed his path.

Stephen Hunter (Washington Post film critic and novelist extraordinary, plus NRA member and gun enthusiast) wrote a brilliant retrospective of Mr. Heston's career and life in a Post article last week. Reading about him made me realize that he was an even greater man than I'd ever given credit -- as epic in real life as he managed to portray in the movies. As my bumper sticker says, he is my once and future "president," but now he'll always be much, much more.

I'm grateful that he represented my passion, firearms, and even more so that he represented the human race.

R.I.P., Sir!

--JFrame
 
In response to Bloodskys 'proof'

http://www.vpc.org/nrainfo/heston.html
yes, I have heard that speech. That isn't racist, that is anti-racist, anti-sexist. See, in a colorblind society, in a genderblind society, in an orientaion blind society, we are all treated equally.

You can simply spell it out in a formula

Person of race X will get Y because of their race

That is racist no matter what the X and Y values are. Traditional racism is X = white and Y = full access to all business. Traditional racism is X = black and Y = substandard schooling

Nontraditional racism is X = black Y = additional scholarship funding.

Heston is right, some people are clamoring for extra rights due to their status as a minority. That is wrong. We are all equal, be we part of the majority or minority.


http://www.vpc.org/nrainfo/statements.html
This is not 'proof' this is just upset people commenting. Just because you manage to offend doesn't make you a racist. Bill Cosby offended a lot of people when he said "If someone comes to me and says if a white kid sells Cocaine and gets 5 years and a black kid sells crack and gets 10 years, you know what I would tell my black kid? DON'T SELL IT".


http://www.vpc.org/nrainfo/memo.htm
http://www.vpc.org/nrainfo/whmemo2.htm

These two show nothing but that Heston was given a pre-written set of comments to make, and that Hugh Obrien was given a similar sheet, which he chose to use, and his comments were wrongly attributed to 4 different men

http://www.davidduke.com/
-even a broken watch is correct twice per day. Just because DDuke agreed with heston doesn't make heston wrong. DDuke also pays his taxes, that doesn't make paying taxes racist If we allow DDuke to simply claim someone as a friend, and then tar and feather that man, we play right into his hands
 
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JULIUS CEASER
The Gallic Wars
 
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