Charter Arms snub?

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Stuttz

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Hi,

I've followed CA revolvers for a bit and I've heard mixed things, but mostly good. Point is, I know they're not Smith or Rugers but the budget is pretty tight and I'm just looking for a sock drawer gun that I may shoot once every few months. Basically, I'm not interested in the Bulldog, just .38 or .357. I've heard that the early ones were great, the new ones suck, they went through such and such changes in leadership etc...basically, which years were the best for CA and which ones should I be on the lookout for?
 
I've got two of the old ones. One made in Bridgeport, one in Stratford. They both work fine. One was made in 1966, one in 1977. I'm a Smith & Wesson guy, but have never seen any need to "upgrade". The Stratford gun is my day to day carry.

Charter went through some down times. Those guns marked as Charter 2000, and CHARCO are generally considered to be of lesser quality.

The new ones, I don't know much about other than that the ones I've seen, look to be good buys.
 
I bought the Charter Arms South Paw and have had no problems with it. I personally like and have mostly Ruger & S&W revolvers. I got the South Paw because I'm a lefty and probably because of the novelty of a left handed revolver. That being said, I've shot right handed revolvers for so long now that using that left handed revolver is uncomfortable and just dont feel right.
 
The current production (Shelton, CT) revolvers are good. Like has been said, the Charco and Charter 2000 are the ones most likely to have problems.
 
I had a CA Undercover 2000 in .38 spl and it worked great and was easy to conceal. Wouldn't hesitate to own another one if the opportunity arose.
 
I don't know about the Charter revolvers, but i do own both a Taurus 85 (38) and a Rossi 462 (357). They are reliable, accurate and about the same price.
 
I bought a Charter Arms Undercover back in the late 70's. It may have been the very early 80's. I worked at GS that had a range. I put allot of rounds through that little gun. Never a problem. I haven't fired it in years but it sits right in the night stand. I can't speak for the newer ones but the early ones seem to be pretty decent.
 
I have two Undercover .38 revolvers. One I purchased new in 1987, the day I was hired as a cop, and it served me as an off-duty/back-up gun for a few years. I am nothing but satisfied with it. It's well-fit together, locks up tight, and I'm actually wearing it right now (my EDC is a PF9, but I do get "wheelgun nostalgic" now and then.)
The other I inherited last year when my dad died. It's serial number dates it about 20 years older than the first, and he owned it for the same purposes. Though the finish has decades of wear, it is also rock-solid and tight, and I am both happy and proud to have it.
 
I've posted the following info before and on other sites. But here it is again - this is the result of some research I've been doing for a couple years (started when I "accidentally" accumulated 26 1st Gen CA revolvers) - that research now has over a thousand data points.

The very first Charter Arms Corporation production began in 1965 in BRIDGEPORT CONN - earliest pieces - mostly Undercover model will have either NO address on the right side of the barrel or will have BRIDGEPORT CONN
Around 1974, address was changed to STRATFORD CONN - all pieces made after mid 1974 will be marked with that address on the right side of the barrel and all will have CHARTER ARMS CORP. as the first line. Sometime in 1991, Charter Arms Corp. ceased operations. This was the end of the FIRST GENERATION.
Around mid 1991 (may be as early as 1988????), the company was re-organized under new leadership and became known as Charter Arms Company - CHARCO, and was located in ANSONIA CONN. All second generation pieces will be marked on the right side of the barrel with that name and address in two lines. This is the SECOND generation and apparently the period which caused the most damage to the Charter name and reputation.
In 2000, the company was again reorganized as CHARTER 2000 and relocated to SHELTON CONN. All pieces made during this THIRD generation will be marked with the SHELTON address. Early production of this generation seems to have been spotty and reputation still lagged. About a year and a half ago, the company re-reorganized under the direction of MKS Marketing and seems now to be if not flourishing at least it is progressing in quality and market share.
From the limited data set that I have been able to assemble so far the following serialization seems to be valid: (NOTE: model name and caliber will be stamped on left side of barrel on all pieces)

FIRST GENERATION
0001 - <13500 1964 - ? CHARTER ARMS CORP. right side of barrel marking only, no address
~13500 - <315,000 ? - ~1965 CHARTER ARMS CORP. over BRIDGEPORT CONN .marking
~315,000 - <1,088,000 - ~1974 to 1991 - CHARTER ARMS CORP. over STRATFORD CONN. marking

SECOND GENERATION
>1,090,000 - ??? 1991 - 2000? CHARCO over ANSONIA CONN- marking

THIRD GENERATION
000001 - to date 2000 - 2011 CHARTER ARMS 2000 over SHELTON CONN marking.

This is the updated (6/11) serial number info that I have - based upon around 950 data points
The earliest 1st Gen - ~0 to ~13,500 have NO barrel ADDRESS and s/n is on lower right corner on right side of frame. CA company founded in 1964, first production pieces of the Undercover model produced in 1965
Bridgeport CONN address - ~13,500 to ~315,000 1967 - 1974
Stratford CONN address - ~315,000 to ~1,090,000 1974 - ~1991
All marked as Charter Arms Corporation

2nd Generation - CHARCO, Ansonia Conn address - 1,090,000 to ??? ~1991 - 1996?

3rd Generation - CHARTER 2000 - Shelton Conn - 0 to where ever they are today. 2007 Charter Arms/ MKS

From the 26 pieces in my collection (all 1st Gen) and from dozens more that I've had the opportunity to observe and handle, I'd say that around s/n 600,000 the finish was made a lot finer - although the integrals (lock work, action) was at least as good as the earlier ones. I have or have read magazine articles that cover pretty much of the production life of the 1st Generation, and during that period (around late 1980, early 1981) it seems that CA attempted to capture more of the market by doing so, also in April of 1981, they introduced Stainless Steel revolvers into the mix, for the first time. Some of the articles lamented that the earlier pieces, although rough finish, were rather inexpensive (~60-65% of S&W) and when CA began their "modernization" process, the finishes got better but the prices increased to about 85 to 90% of the S&W line for comparable models.
During the 2nd Generation, the CHARCO (Charter Arms COMPANY), under new management and reorganized, the quality was definitely more spotty and haphazard. I've seen CHARCO produced guns with Stratford marked barrels, obviously using up old stock.
The earliest CHARTER 2000 pieces I had the opportunity to handle (some fairly early 4 digits s/ns - were uniformly, poorly fitted and finished and had some horrendous and gritty actions. That seems to have been rectified under MKS's (circa 2007) new leadership and the most recent pieces I've handled - s/n's in the high 100,000 range have been "decent" but not as fine in finish and action as the mid years of the 1st Generation. This is simply my studied opinion based upon experience.

 
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