Charter vs Taurus , snub .38

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Regarding 3" barrels , one of my J frames is a 3" ; I am amazed at the difference it makes in terms of pointing and putting rounds on target comapered to the 1 7/8" standard Smith snub. A real pleasure to shoot. I even sniffed around at a 3" ss Taurus on a brokerage sight ... However , the longer barrel simply does not carry as well as the shorter one

Back in the day, when 1 7/8" barreled snubbies were hard to come by, less expensive J frames could be readily found with 3" barrels. As you noted, that extra length of barrel did wonders as far as handling, balance, and sighting were concerned. Typically I used it with an IWB holster and never had a problem with carrying it concealed.

Fast forward to a few years ago when the wife of a friend of mine was getting her CCW license but didn't care for her husband's Taurus Model 85 or S&W Bodyguard .380. I came across a S&W Model 638 with a 2.5" barrel and gave it to her along with a purse that was set up with an adjustable internal holster. She really took to that Model 638 and used it to qualify for her CCW license and has carried it ever since.
 
"Since a "melted" gun is a gun with all the sharp edges removed" ... Is this common descriptive terminology that I have missed up till now?

The first I heard of the term was a few years ago, probably here at THR. I'm not sure when the term got attached to firearms, but I've read that Clark Customs has offered a "meltdown" finish since the 1990s. https://clarkcustomguns.com/gun/meltdown/
 
chicharrones

Cool "Hammer the Hammer" display piece! Kind of reminds me of one of those science projects we used to make in school, minus the gun of course!
 
I thought it was Iver Johnson. It's nice to know that my brain cell still functions correctly every now and again. :)
 
I have had both and like both of them. The TAURUS is heavier and may be stronger, but I would choose either one. The CHARTER ARMS Undercover is lighter and would make a lighter gun for a pocket or ankle carry. I would look at both and go with the smoother trigger and better fit to my hand.

Jim
 
I have owed 2 Taurus guns and 1 Charter. I had a Taurus snub nose 38 that I used for training police officers and cadets. It failed frequently under heavy use. I also had a Taurus 22lr revolver. Heavy trigger and extraction problems.

I now have a Charter 357 snub nose, stainless and ported. In my opinion the Charter is far better than the Taurus.

As a gun show promoter I talk to a lot of dealers. The general opinion seems to be that Taurus customer service is poor at best.

I would buy another Charter but I don't think I would be interested in a Taurus.

Just my opinion
IronHand
 
Here's a pic of my CA "Undercover' which my grandfather bought new. I shoot it now and then and carry in it's original CA leather side or boot carry holster. Not S&W accuracy as with my newer "Airweight"...but certainly good enough for CC. It's almost not noticeable even while driving...
 

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I have never owned any Charter firearms and own several Taurus revolvers and semi-autos. When I was looking for a truck gun like the OP, I ended up with a Taurus Protector Poly in .357. It has been trouble-free for me with several hundred .38 and .357 rounds through it, is lightweight and durable. I keep it loaded with Hornady Critical Defense .38+P 110 grain JHP, and keep some .357 158 grain JSP as reloads. However, a more recent post from the OP says that he is not into polymer, so my choice may not resonate with him. Because of the potential for theft, despite my lockbox, I did not want to use one of my more expensive Taurus, Smith or Ruger revolvers as a truck gun.
 
AND THE WINNER IS ----- The venerable Taurus 85. I like stainless , and I am a sucker for traditional styling. I could not warm up to the manner in which the crane recesses into the frame of some of the other guns in this category... As to service , I will just hope that I do not have to test Taurus in that regard. The lock-up on this 85 is remarkably tight ; the end shake is virtually non-existent. Have not put a scale on the trigger yet ... the da seems a bit heavier than my Smiths , but the manner in which it stages is really nice. I will probably preserve the original grips - they seem too nice to ding up , and the lower rear corner prints a bit. (IWB) Pachmayr makes a rounded finger grip called "Renegade" which looks about right.

All in all , at $225 I feel that I got a good value. Affordable guns CAN be good , I have now learned. I am a happy convert. Many thanks for all the great input.
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First, I'd go with a .22LR pistol. When I lost my beloved S&W 63 revolver "kit gun" (which I'd stayed on a waiting list for months to get) to a couple of thieves who worked in my apartment building, I bought two Rossi M511s that turned out to be just as good in their own way. And they were every bit as accurate and even had some benefits. They had ejector shrouds, which my 63 didn't have. They were a bit more accurate, just as tight and they were pretty in their own way. Also, I just plain liked 'em.

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If I had to choose between a Taurus revolver or a Charter Arms, I'd take the Taurus any day. I'm not crazy about either one, but the Charter Arms, especially the Bulldog, is a gun I just never liked. Stopping power is on the low side because the velocity is just too low. It might give you a psychological edge with that big, gaping hole in the barrel, but six rounds of .22LR would be better in my view because I've just seen the .22LR stop too many bad guys. I also know a guy who was shot with one while he was working on his home. He woke up in the hospital and they said he'd come "this close" to dying. The two kids who fired the round were (are you ready for this?) just a stone's throw over a mile away when they fired the round. (They never caught them, but they got a witness who saw them firing the gun.) The guy who was shot said he felt like he'd been stung by a monster wasp. He tried to go down the ladder he was on, but passed out before he reached the bottom. My dad grew up in Melber, Ky., during the Depression and said the .22LR was called the "surgeon's nightmare" because the bullets could go in one place and end up in another part of the body, which made it a lethal round. My dad just used his rifle for hunting squirrels and opossums.

My own view is that a .38 Spc. +P has more stopping power than a .44 Spc. And most Taurus revolvers can take +P now, I think. But if you get a Taurus, check out the one you're gonna buy before you plop down your money! Don't wait until you clean it to discover it's got a B/C gap big enough to stick your elbow through, or that it's out of time. Take a couple of .357 bullets (NOT cartridges!) with you and drop one into each chamber. If the throat stops it, great, but if they fall right through to the table, consider another model. And don't push the bullet through if it catches or you'll resize it slightly. Just invert it and let it fall out where you put it in.

Starting with a fresh sheet of paper, I would consider a third option. Even though this is a revolver forum, if I were you, the gun that screams at me for your purposes is the Ruger 22/45, used or new. And the one I love is this:

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You can get one used for a very nice price, and the things will last forever. It you get the old Standard Auto type of Mark II/III, they'll a hoot!

If you don't mind a single-action revolver, consider getting an inexpensive .22LR revolver. The second gun I ever bought was an RG Model 66 cowboy revolver that was chrome plated. Shiny chrome. Once I found out where the sweet spot was on the sites, I could plink with it and even hit what I was aiming at. Most are made on alloy frames, which means they're very light weight. That and a few boxes of ammo can really come in handy.

Finally, a nice knock-around gun I love is the Henry AR-7 Survival Rifle. Utterly reliable, the receiver, barrel and three magazines all fit into the stock, and it all floats. You can put it together in 40 seconds if you take your time, and it's accurate enough to take game. It fits in a backpack or you can throw some paracord around it and throw it over your shoulder or just toss it in the trunk. (James Bond even kilt a bad guy and shot down the helicopter he was in, all with one shot.) It used to be made by Charter Arms, but now it's made by a much better company.

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Hope you find what you're looking for. But let us know what you end up with. If I had to make a recommendation just get a Ruger SP-101 and treat it as a beater.
 
Just saw you decided on a Taurus and I hope it works out! Just for giggles, let us know how it works out on the range. I don't reckon I'll ever buy a Taurus. (Had too many bad experiences with them in the 90s.) But I had worse experiences with the Charter Arms and swore I'd never buy another one. They were junk, and if they worked when I got them, they soon began grating and binding. Horrible guns.

BTW, I had a Taurus 85 like the one you had and the damn thing wouldn't shoot straight. I discovered it didn't have much, if any, throats in the chambers. My targets looked like giant shotgun blasts.
 
I think when anyone purchases a Taurus, they cross their fingers and pray that they'll never have to use customer service.

I'm helping a relative go through the process of selecting a firearm for themselves and even though there are some low-priced firearms that might represent a good deal, I just worry about "What if they have a problem with their firearm and they have to go through Taurus CS hell" It is bad enough for any gun owner to get bad customer service but for a brand new gun owner to have - probably their one and only gun - tied up running the Taurus CS gauntlet, or shipped back them without the problem being fixed - that has got to be rough. I think that would would taint their whole firearm and shooting experience - I just think it would be bad. I'd be worried that if that ever happened it would reflect badly on me for steering them toward Taurus. They'd think I gave them bad advice and they'd be right.

I purchased a Millennium G2 and it hasn't had any failures. It is not my only firearm and it's intended purpose was to go in a GHB. I knew I wasn't going to shoot it a lot, I shoot it occasionally, I keep it clean and lubed, I just want it to work on that extremely rare situation where I not only need a get home bag but I need to draw a firearm on my way home.
 
At $225 I was willing to roll the dice. The function of my new revolver is excellent ; gamble appears to have paid off.

Virtually every decision in one's life involves calculated risk. At $225 I can afford to toss the Taurus in the river and go to the safe for a replacement. I strongly doubt that that will be necessary.
 
Yes, it's almost amazing what you can get for a tick over $200 now, and especially that a revolver in stainless steel is in that group, too. Though I'm currently wearing the 1985-ish vintage stainless Undercover I mentioned earlier in this thread, I do also own (and like) a 1995-manufacture 3-inch stainless M85 Taurus.

Enjoy it..
 
The stainless Taurus 85 should work out just fine. I think it has consistently been one of their best models. At $225, you did well. Let us know how you like it after shooting it a bit.
 
AND THE WINNER IS ----- The venerable Taurus 85. I like stainless , and I am a sucker for traditional styling. I could not warm up to the manner in which the crane recesses into the frame of some of the other guns in this category... As to service , I will just hope that I do not have to test Taurus in that regard. The lock-up on this 85 is remarkably tight ; the end shake is virtually non-existent. Have not put a scale on the trigger yet ... the da seems a bit heavier than my Smiths , but the manner in which it stages is really nice. I will probably preserve the original grips - they seem too nice to ding up , and the lower rear corner prints a bit. (IWB) Pachmayr makes a rounded finger grip called "Renegade" which looks about right.

All in all , at $225 I feel that I got a good value. Affordable guns CAN be good , I have now learned. I am a happy convert. Many thanks for all the great input.
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Gawd dang that's a good lookin' older Taurus. I'm jealous. :D
 
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