sidheshooter
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Quote of the thread, right there.
Can I vote for haunting GB for an old S&W 640–the kind marked +P+ on the barrel?
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Quote of the thread, right there.
Can I vote for haunting GB for an old S&W 640–the kind marked +P+ on the barrel?
MisterNoisy
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Chiappa Rhino 200DS?
Hunter125
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Not a chance on the Chiappa.
MtnSpur
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You neglected by omission one of the finest snubbies: Colt Detective Special. Carried for many many years by LE and the preferred carry by many today. Can't vote in the poll so my "write in" vote is the DS
Hunter125
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I didn't mention the Colt because I'm not very familiar with them and actually didn't really think about Colts. I have handled all the rest, I think I have only seen pictures of the Detective Special.
7thGenAustinite
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love my ruger!!!
2popfire
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Colt Detective Special, yeah they are out of production, but still available and a great choice.
Joe
Joe
Loosedhorse
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You guys who choose something other than a 642, convince me why.
A 342. I can't convince you, unless you pick up one, shoot it, and carry it for a while. Like an hour. Or a year.
It has pushed all other compact SD revolvers to the back of the safe.
A 342. I can't convince you, unless you pick up one, shoot it, and carry it for a while. Like an hour. Or a year.
It has pushed all other compact SD revolvers to the back of the safe.
Mac Attack
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I don't get all the hatred towards the lock version Smiths. I have owned a few prelocks and a postlock. I do t really notice any difference. If you don't like the lock just don't use it. Please explain to me why the preference for prelocks?
Loosedhorse
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Part of that is the .38 specification. For .357 snubbies, the SP101 is a heck of a revolver.
The possibility of lock failure when you need the gun, rendering it inoperable. Even if you never use the lock.
Mac Attack-- Originally I fell in love with the DA revolver due to its simplistic functionality (aim and squeeze). Why add to this if not necessary? Do we need something to change the look and function of a great design?
50% of my dislike is the cosmetic location of the lock, the other 50% is the whole "idea" of a lock, and it's possibility of malfunction. Not a fan of a lock on any gun, but it could have been done in a more simplistic and unobtrusive fashion (like Taurus and Ruger). IMO of course
.Guillermo
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Just got back from McBride's
Looked at S&W and Taurus revolvers
They were 3 deep at the counter so I didn't take notes.
One Taurus was a 44 mag. It was used. The crane had a lot of movement. We discussed it and theorized that a numbskull flipped it closed a lot. Was not a tight gun.
Since it was abused I drew no conclusions.
Looked at a Taurus UL snubby, blue (didn't know they made them) Was not tight but I would not call it abnormally lose. Double action trigger was outstanding. Good, even gaps in the crane-frame fit.
Picked up a j frame and it was definitely tighter. I would say 40- 50% tighter. Fit was good. Trigger was mediocre at best. Was stainless so no comparison. (I saw no new blue Smiths in the case)
Of snubs, Taurus won the trigger pull, lost on tightness.
Looked at a Tracker .357. Finish was that dull, Taurus look. Trigger was ok. Fit was very good. Tighter than the J-frame-sized Taurus. Not as tight as the J frame.
Looked at a performance center .357 (627?)
Fit was pretty good except for a slightly large gap at the top of the crane. It looked to be machined that way, was tight against the frame farther from the surface. Trigger was fine, stainless was pretty enough. Was not as tight as the J frame, maybe a little better than the Tracker.
If not for the weird "gap" it would have won all categories. Was twice the price.
Was the Taurus snub particularly loose? Was the J Frame trigger particularly bad?
Don't know. Neither one impressed.
Tracker seemed fine. The PC gap was a little off putting.
I had to go because I was keeping an employee from paying customers.
Really can't draw any conclusions because the sample was so small.
Will go back another time when they are less busy and look at more.
Looked at S&W and Taurus revolvers
They were 3 deep at the counter so I didn't take notes.
One Taurus was a 44 mag. It was used. The crane had a lot of movement. We discussed it and theorized that a numbskull flipped it closed a lot. Was not a tight gun.
Since it was abused I drew no conclusions.
Looked at a Taurus UL snubby, blue (didn't know they made them) Was not tight but I would not call it abnormally lose. Double action trigger was outstanding. Good, even gaps in the crane-frame fit.
Picked up a j frame and it was definitely tighter. I would say 40- 50% tighter. Fit was good. Trigger was mediocre at best. Was stainless so no comparison. (I saw no new blue Smiths in the case)
Of snubs, Taurus won the trigger pull, lost on tightness.
Looked at a Tracker .357. Finish was that dull, Taurus look. Trigger was ok. Fit was very good. Tighter than the J-frame-sized Taurus. Not as tight as the J frame.
Looked at a performance center .357 (627?)
Fit was pretty good except for a slightly large gap at the top of the crane. It looked to be machined that way, was tight against the frame farther from the surface. Trigger was fine, stainless was pretty enough. Was not as tight as the J frame, maybe a little better than the Tracker.
If not for the weird "gap" it would have won all categories. Was twice the price.
Was the Taurus snub particularly loose? Was the J Frame trigger particularly bad?
Don't know. Neither one impressed.
Tracker seemed fine. The PC gap was a little off putting.
I had to go because I was keeping an employee from paying customers.
Really can't draw any conclusions because the sample was so small.
Will go back another time when they are less busy and look at more.
oldfool
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thanks G
very objective report, IMO
my own overly broad general notions and casual mode observations, not a study, not fact, not Truth from down low, much less from On High... current manufacture only, not from say 10-15 years ago, or more.. and always subject to looking at 'em one by one, gun on gun
small frame centerfires...
S&W J-frames not renowned for great DA triggers, not real bad, but leaves some to be desired
Ruger SPs.. terrific guns, but out-of-box DA triggers, not so great
series 85 Taurus, just maybe best on-average out-of box DA triggers, but for Ruger's LCR plastic DAO
fit & finish, S&W first, Ruger 2nd, Taurus last.. but Taurus 85s not real bad, best in blue, in blue they do good
lockup , S&W & Ruger pretty much dead heat, Taurus looser, but plenty good enough
(but I would never contest McGunner's opinion of the one he owns, the man ain't no fool)
large/medium frame, S&W gets the nod over Ruger, but not by a lot, not enough to matter to most folks buying NIB.. for fit & finish.. but Taurus needs help
(ever CLEAN one of those SS Taurus revolvers after a range session)... it kills my good shooting buddy to watch me clean my SS 38/357 S&Ws and then I sit there and he grumbles whist doing and doing his Tracker.. if ye go Taurus, go blue
for DA triggers, it's a shooter feel thing, not a better/worse thing for say 686 vs GP
Taurus, no opinion, don't handle enough new ones to have any opinion
for me S&W trigger, but I do not fault anyone who prefers the GP trigger
Looseness, I do not expect, nor have myself seen problems with either Ruger or S&W, I think they too close too call (for me) other than one vs one, not across the line.
Taurus, don't look enough at 'em to give an objective opinion, fact
what burns my old fat fuzzy the worst is Taurus rimfires
I don't believe they have any respect for rimfire shooters at all, just don't give a damn, they must figure rimfires are for kids, and grownups who shoot rimfires are just damn fools.. me, I know a bunch of of classy guys real serious about rimfire revolvers, and at least one old damn fool that is too
Taurus used to could do, and did
(They used to could do it on centerfire revolvers, too, and give S&W a run for their money, and do it it a discount pricing, they did)
breaks my heart that they do not anymore, the rimfire thing
(for centerfires there is always the Ruger option, today)
I would never wish upon a friend like you, G, to ever pick up a small frame 94/941, even if lucky enough to to pick one up that don't fail hard within the 1st 500 rounds
nice looking, decent fit & finish, good blue, feels great in hand unfired
because a guy like you would look at things like machining, b/c gaps, etc. and know right away, but squeeze that DA trigger anyway "just because"
and that could ruin a man's lunch
small frame DA triggers are at disadvantage to large frame DA triggers, we all know that
but there just ain't NO excuse for THAT
hey, S&W does lot of things we do not like
but me really just don't care re: MIM, crush fit barrels, or even that stupid ILS
not trying to get anybody to buy 'em what don't like 'em, but it's moot for me
my one olddawg cannot do that trick is liner barrels
ain't never going to be me, not in rimfire, much less in a 357
that is a sin against Gawd and Nature, it is..
Hell will freeze over first, and I will just shoot my way out of the ice with an old k-frame in each hand
PS
"New S&W revolvers are nothing but overpriced New Taurus revolvers"
sometimes folks who respect one another are obliged to disagree, G
but that so oft repeated opinion is why I (mostly) steer clear of any direct opinionated reply to same
I would rather lose an argument than a friend, even in cyberspace
be well, and keep on checking that NIB stuff out
(I need to know your opinion of the S&W model 60 Pro.. vs... vs..)
very objective report, IMO
my own overly broad general notions and casual mode observations, not a study, not fact, not Truth from down low, much less from On High... current manufacture only, not from say 10-15 years ago, or more.. and always subject to looking at 'em one by one, gun on gun
small frame centerfires...
S&W J-frames not renowned for great DA triggers, not real bad, but leaves some to be desired
Ruger SPs.. terrific guns, but out-of-box DA triggers, not so great
series 85 Taurus, just maybe best on-average out-of box DA triggers, but for Ruger's LCR plastic DAO
fit & finish, S&W first, Ruger 2nd, Taurus last.. but Taurus 85s not real bad, best in blue, in blue they do good
lockup , S&W & Ruger pretty much dead heat, Taurus looser, but plenty good enough
(but I would never contest McGunner's opinion of the one he owns, the man ain't no fool)
large/medium frame, S&W gets the nod over Ruger, but not by a lot, not enough to matter to most folks buying NIB.. for fit & finish.. but Taurus needs help
(ever CLEAN one of those SS Taurus revolvers after a range session)... it kills my good shooting buddy to watch me clean my SS 38/357 S&Ws and then I sit there and he grumbles whist doing and doing his Tracker.. if ye go Taurus, go blue
for DA triggers, it's a shooter feel thing, not a better/worse thing for say 686 vs GP
Taurus, no opinion, don't handle enough new ones to have any opinion
for me S&W trigger, but I do not fault anyone who prefers the GP trigger
Looseness, I do not expect, nor have myself seen problems with either Ruger or S&W, I think they too close too call (for me) other than one vs one, not across the line.
Taurus, don't look enough at 'em to give an objective opinion, fact
what burns my old fat fuzzy the worst is Taurus rimfires
I don't believe they have any respect for rimfire shooters at all, just don't give a damn, they must figure rimfires are for kids, and grownups who shoot rimfires are just damn fools.. me, I know a bunch of of classy guys real serious about rimfire revolvers, and at least one old damn fool that is too
Taurus used to could do, and did
(They used to could do it on centerfire revolvers, too, and give S&W a run for their money, and do it it a discount pricing, they did)
breaks my heart that they do not anymore, the rimfire thing
(for centerfires there is always the Ruger option, today)
I would never wish upon a friend like you, G, to ever pick up a small frame 94/941, even if lucky enough to to pick one up that don't fail hard within the 1st 500 rounds
nice looking, decent fit & finish, good blue, feels great in hand unfired
because a guy like you would look at things like machining, b/c gaps, etc. and know right away, but squeeze that DA trigger anyway "just because"
and that could ruin a man's lunch
small frame DA triggers are at disadvantage to large frame DA triggers, we all know that
but there just ain't NO excuse for THAT
hey, S&W does lot of things we do not like
but me really just don't care re: MIM, crush fit barrels, or even that stupid ILS
not trying to get anybody to buy 'em what don't like 'em, but it's moot for me
my one olddawg cannot do that trick is liner barrels
ain't never going to be me, not in rimfire, much less in a 357
that is a sin against Gawd and Nature, it is..
Hell will freeze over first, and I will just shoot my way out of the ice with an old k-frame in each hand
PS
"New S&W revolvers are nothing but overpriced New Taurus revolvers"
sometimes folks who respect one another are obliged to disagree, G
but that so oft repeated opinion is why I (mostly) steer clear of any direct opinionated reply to same
I would rather lose an argument than a friend, even in cyberspace
be well, and keep on checking that NIB stuff out
(I need to know your opinion of the S&W model 60 Pro.. vs... vs..)
Guillermo
member
I was surprised at how tight the j frame was...and how bad the trigger.
And the PC crane was disappointing
If the Taurus snubby is a representative sample, I would not buy one.
That said, found a NICE Trooper in the used case.
And the PC crane was disappointing
If the Taurus snubby is a representative sample, I would not buy one.
That said, found a NICE Trooper in the used case.
oldfool
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I don't think Taurus is getting a completely "fair shake" in this poll
not because anybody is anything less than honest
(this poll goes pretty much as I go)
Not because I disbelieve, not in the least, that some folks have had some totally legit bad experiences with some 85s
Mostly, I think too many simply have not picked up an 85 in hand, and shot one
because of what Taurus has one to their own reputation at large re: QA/QC
I have myself grown to trust "T" ever less over time
but I would still pick up a 85 snubbie or 92 autoloader and give it a shot
but don't any of you go telling weregunner I said that !
I don't want to lose my internet conspirator status; worked too long and hard to just reach conspirator 2nd class, don't want to ruin my chance of making 1st class
not because anybody is anything less than honest
(this poll goes pretty much as I go)
Not because I disbelieve, not in the least, that some folks have had some totally legit bad experiences with some 85s
Mostly, I think too many simply have not picked up an 85 in hand, and shot one
because of what Taurus has one to their own reputation at large re: QA/QC
I have myself grown to trust "T" ever less over time
but I would still pick up a 85 snubbie or 92 autoloader and give it a shot
but don't any of you go telling weregunner I said that !
I don't want to lose my internet conspirator status; worked too long and hard to just reach conspirator 2nd class, don't want to ruin my chance of making 1st class
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oldfool
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If the Taurus snubby is a representative sample, I would not buy one.
you can't very well call that a surprise, G
you, all them old Colts
me, them too few old S&Ws (older model 60 for one)
ain't neither of us buying NIB, anyway
(though I do occasionally think about it in a not too serious way)
mostly just trying not to feed folks dishonest opinions about NIB vs NIB
like I said, not Truth from down low, nor on high, just honest personal opinion
so.. did you ride yet another Pony home, or just pause and ponder ?
you can't very well call that a surprise, G
you, all them old Colts
me, them too few old S&Ws (older model 60 for one)
ain't neither of us buying NIB, anyway
(though I do occasionally think about it in a not too serious way)
mostly just trying not to feed folks dishonest opinions about NIB vs NIB
like I said, not Truth from down low, nor on high, just honest personal opinion
so.. did you ride yet another Pony home, or just pause and ponder ?
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oldfool
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medium frame BULL, the only one I have shot was my SILs 357 Tracker
I wouldn't have it, just because of the DA trigger, if nothing else
but I have been spoiled by the good ol' stuff, like a few others here have
(including one old hard shot Taurus 66 along with a pair of S&W 66s)
and cannot call a sample of one a fair sample, not hardly
I wouldn't have it, just because of the DA trigger, if nothing else
but I have been spoiled by the good ol' stuff, like a few others here have
(including one old hard shot Taurus 66 along with a pair of S&W 66s)
and cannot call a sample of one a fair sample, not hardly
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oldfool
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hmmm.... should I go for 4 posts in a row ??
uhhh.... WWWD ?
(What Would Weregunner Do)
nahhh.. that's just plain peevish
uhhh.... WWWD ?
(What Would Weregunner Do)
nahhh.. that's just plain peevish
Nushif
Member
The best trigger on a snubbie I have ever touched was on a Ruger LCR.
the others may have this "authority of time" but this shooter learned how to shoot on an LCR, basically, and was surprised at how crappy most other revolver triggers ended up being.
the others may have this "authority of time" but this shooter learned how to shoot on an LCR, basically, and was surprised at how crappy most other revolver triggers ended up being.
oldfool
Member
yeah, that's one that seriously keeps me tempted to get a NIB, Nushif, that LCR
DA trigger
great SA triggers make for fine target shooting, great bear guns, and just-fun shooting
but what most defines for me a great revolver, old or new, is a great DA trigger
DA trigger
great SA triggers make for fine target shooting, great bear guns, and just-fun shooting
but what most defines for me a great revolver, old or new, is a great DA trigger
Guillermo
member
Old Fool,
I did my best to be as objective as possible.
It was a surprise that the Taurus snub was looser than I expected.
As to the Colt, there were two that were talking to me. I managed to resist. So far...
I did my best to be as objective as possible.
It was a surprise that the Taurus snub was looser than I expected.
As to the Colt, there were two that were talking to me. I managed to resist. So far...
Nushif
Member
You won't regret it ...
sidheshooter
Member
Model 36-1. This is the 3" heavy barrel version of the chief's special that NYPD firearms trainer Frank McGee convinced S&W to make. The result is like a mini model 10 4" in look and feel; good sight radius that shoots exactly to POA with 158 gr. "FBI" load, good velocity with the same load from the 3" tube as well. With Baramis or the new DeSantis clip grip, it conceals as well as the 1 7/8" versions–may as well not be there. Mine is lightly tuned and DAO/bobbed and provides plenty of comfort with Remington's +P LSHCHP load.
Plus, my dad gave it to me. I see no reason to change.
Not that I'd sneer at a 642 or 442 no lock either, of course; nothing wrong there at all.
Kaeto
Member
The one not getting a fair shake is Charter Arms.
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