Being that none of these rifles are fully automatic, the AK-47 you would be looking at is not an assault rifle. If you really mean assault weapon, that is a bastardized term used by anti-gunners to make some weapons seem more dangerous than others. The first centerfire rifle I ever purchased was the SKS, and it is still by far the most fun gun I own. For a little under $200, you simply cannot beat the SKS or its ammo prices (this "shortage" shouldn't last too long). FWIW, I long for a Saiga AK as well, and think it would probably just as much fun and useful as the SKS.
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A Yugo SKS will run 99+S&H+FFL fees, they go up from there, one that's in particularly good to maybe unissued condition command much more.
The Yugo can have some issues, one is the gas cutoff for the grenade launcher. It's fixed with a paperclip or if really bad you can find a new made replacement. I really recommend a Murray firing pin mod and a Kivaari trigger job but that adds a lot to the price.
The Yugo can have some issues, one is the gas cutoff for the grenade launcher. It's fixed with a paperclip or if really bad you can find a new made replacement. I really recommend a Murray firing pin mod and a Kivaari trigger job but that adds a lot to the price.
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You could do much worse than a SKS. Sturdy and reliable, can be found in as-new condition in your price range, 5-40 round mags available, 7.62X39 easy on the shoulder to shoot but powerfull enough
for deer, usually ammo is among to cheapest to buy, easy and cheap to add a scope, more accurate than the AK's and some of the bolt actions. I much prefer the shorter stock and I weigh 200+ pounds as it fits just right when I have the heavy clothes on needed durring our northern Michigan deer season.
for deer, usually ammo is among to cheapest to buy, easy and cheap to add a scope, more accurate than the AK's and some of the bolt actions. I much prefer the shorter stock and I weigh 200+ pounds as it fits just right when I have the heavy clothes on needed durring our northern Michigan deer season.
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any milsurp. 223 . 30.06, 6.5 swede, 308, 8mauser, 762.54, 762.39, 9mm through a carbine, 303, etc.
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I'll add another vote for 8mm Mauser.Guns are cheap, I just bout 760 rounds for $60 OTD, and if you shop around and get one that was taken care of and has good, sharp rifleing, can be plenty accurate (unless your planning SERIOUS long(er) range and/or competition shooting).Lots of other very good options mentioned by others though too.
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TESTING sorry
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what do u guys think about this one?
here is the link if u cant get the pic.http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=9935_13987_14114&products_id=91328
here is the link if u cant get the pic.http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=9935_13987_14114&products_id=91328
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NO i already have 3 i need a real centerfire rifle
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As far as Caliber goes the .223/5.56 Nato, 7.62x39, and the 308/7.62 NATO are common as dirt and inexpensive to shoot.
Look into the H&R/NEF Handi's if considering a single shot, No they are not the Remington brand name but they are great shooters. I own one in .243, and I love it. The Draw back on them is the Accessory Barrels can only be fitted by H&R ( Pinhead legal Dept IMHO ) so if you want one with interchangeable barrels you need to send them to H&R, or buy one with other barrels as a package.
Look into the H&R/NEF Handi's if considering a single shot, No they are not the Remington brand name but they are great shooters. I own one in .243, and I love it. The Draw back on them is the Accessory Barrels can only be fitted by H&R ( Pinhead legal Dept IMHO ) so if you want one with interchangeable barrels you need to send them to H&R, or buy one with other barrels as a package.
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For the money you CANNOT go wrong with a m-38 or m-44 mosin-nagant! I have collected have a half dozen nagants and I love each and everyone. I also own several sks' and ak's...they are wonderful weapons but really limited if you want to have your gun double as a hunting rifle! My m-38 will group 2-3" with open sights at 100 yards and only cost $59!
The 7.62x54 is as capable as the venerable 30.06 for ~9-10 cents/round. Pop off the rear sight and add a scope and then loaded it with brown bear or silver bear 203gr soft points you should be able to take ANYTHING in north america minus the grizzley.
I suggest you check out www.surplusrifle.com for a nice overview of the various guns out there currently.
The 7.62x54 is as capable as the venerable 30.06 for ~9-10 cents/round. Pop off the rear sight and add a scope and then loaded it with brown bear or silver bear 203gr soft points you should be able to take ANYTHING in north america minus the grizzley.
I suggest you check out www.surplusrifle.com for a nice overview of the various guns out there currently.
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ok so if i go with the mosin-nagant how bad is the recoil? cuz i want to be able to shoot this alot without ripping my arm off
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so where do u get the cheapest 7.62x39 ammo?
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Several things.
Mr. Caliber--OK, starting back several posts--The single-shot you mention: It would do, it looks nice, go ahead & buy it if it calls your name. It may or may not be The Rifle For You, but you won't know that for sure until you try it, and the same thing can be said of any other rifle you might purchase. Nice thing abt rifles is that if you decide to resell you can take it to a gun show and hawk it (Don't sell to a dealer--walk up & down the aisles with it on yr shoulder and a sign, "Rifle for sale" or some such. Guys will ask, guys will handle it, you can dicker, and, no middle man--you sell for what the dealer would have sold it for! ) You could buy a milsurp for less, however.
Jesse's comment abt an assault rifle is right on--if it won't go full-automatic firing (like a machine gun) it is NOT an assault rifle. No matter what Sarah Brady says.
The Mosin-Nagants are cheap, and so is the milsurp ammo, though much of it is corrosive. (Just means you have to wash yr bbl. w/hot soapy water right away after shooting, before going home to clean normally. Not much of a big deal. But you need to know to do it.) 7.62x54R is clearly a big-game cartridge, and it has a recoil to match. Mosins have a reputation for kicking particularly vigorously, although as with any rifle, (a) that depends on how you hold it to yr shoulder, (b) it can be got used to, (c) it affects some folks more than others, and (d) when shooting at game, you will never feel it. The carbine version will kick more so than the full-length rifle, just because the rifle weighs more--Newton's Laws of Motion apply
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7.62x39 and 7.62x54R are NOT the same cartridge. The '39 is for SKS's and AK-47's and the like--it is about equivalent to a rimless .30-30 cartridge ballistically. The '54 is for the Mosin-Nagants and some other Russian Army rifles--they still use it for their ultra-modern sniper rifles. And as has been said, the '54 is very much like our .30-'06 ballistically.
Cheapest 7.62x39 is yr own handloads. Buying it cheap requires shopping around. It's in short supply currently, but that is supposed to be a temporary problem.
And lastly, an AR-15 will set you back at least 5 bills or so to get into the game, and they go up, up, up in price from there. The .223 ammo is cheap, but that initial investment...ooh la la.
Mr. Caliber--OK, starting back several posts--The single-shot you mention: It would do, it looks nice, go ahead & buy it if it calls your name. It may or may not be The Rifle For You, but you won't know that for sure until you try it, and the same thing can be said of any other rifle you might purchase. Nice thing abt rifles is that if you decide to resell you can take it to a gun show and hawk it (Don't sell to a dealer--walk up & down the aisles with it on yr shoulder and a sign, "Rifle for sale" or some such. Guys will ask, guys will handle it, you can dicker, and, no middle man--you sell for what the dealer would have sold it for!
) You could buy a milsurp for less, however.Jesse's comment abt an assault rifle is right on--if it won't go full-automatic firing (like a machine gun) it is NOT an assault rifle. No matter what Sarah Brady says.
The Mosin-Nagants are cheap, and so is the milsurp ammo, though much of it is corrosive. (Just means you have to wash yr bbl. w/hot soapy water right away after shooting, before going home to clean normally. Not much of a big deal. But you need to know to do it.) 7.62x54R is clearly a big-game cartridge, and it has a recoil to match. Mosins have a reputation for kicking particularly vigorously, although as with any rifle, (a) that depends on how you hold it to yr shoulder, (b) it can be got used to, (c) it affects some folks more than others, and (d) when shooting at game, you will never feel it. The carbine version will kick more so than the full-length rifle, just because the rifle weighs more--Newton's Laws of Motion apply
here.
7.62x39 and 7.62x54R are NOT the same cartridge. The '39 is for SKS's and AK-47's and the like--it is about equivalent to a rimless .30-30 cartridge ballistically. The '54 is for the Mosin-Nagants and some other Russian Army rifles--they still use it for their ultra-modern sniper rifles. And as has been said, the '54 is very much like our .30-'06 ballistically.
Cheapest 7.62x39 is yr own handloads. Buying it cheap requires shopping around. It's in short supply currently, but that is supposed to be a temporary problem.
And lastly, an AR-15 will set you back at least 5 bills or so to get into the game, and they go up, up, up in price from there. The .223 ammo is cheap, but that initial investment...ooh la la.
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The recoil isn't as bad as you would expect. since the Mosin Nagant is so heavy the gun absorbs a lit of the energy so you don't feel it. As I have said several times in this thread already, I highly suggest you buy a Mosin Nagant, you won't regret it at all... M44 Carbine will run you about $85, the longer 91/30 will cost you $10 more. I have both, shoot both and like both. (I like the 91/30 more lol)
Have you read the links I provided in my previous posts?
You will need 7.62X54R ammo for the Mosin, not 7.62X39 BTW. It's all explained in the links I provided.
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yeah i'd get that rifle. it was origionally made by Izmash i believe, then remington bought the company , to get rid of some competition, and to adopt a couple new styles. But that would work just fine, and of course that ammo is about as cheap as it gets for centerfire.
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If i decided to go with the 9mm carbine what could i get for under $250?
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last gun show I went to here in Austin TX, wolf 7.62x39 and 5.45x39 cost more per case of 1000 than 5.56x45 which was irritating. you can get a nice semi-auto m1919 in 7.92x57 for like $1500 from militarygunsupply.com, ammo is really cheap, it's also really crappy.
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Mr.Caliber ok so if i go with the mosin-nagant how bad is the recoil? cuz i want to be able to shoot this alot without ripping my arm off
There is no doubt about it either the m38 or m44 kick (and shoot a nice fireball
A 91-30 will kick less. The last gun show I was at a guy was selling arsenal refinished 91-30's with 440 rounds for $129 tax included! Get the nagant (and an SKS!)
There is no doubt about it either the m38 or m44 kick (and shoot a nice fireball
A 91-30 will kick less. The last gun show I was at a guy was selling arsenal refinished 91-30's with 440 rounds for $129 tax included! Get the nagant (and an SKS!)Hi-Point 995 can be had for under that price range. Kel-Tec Sub-2000 is a little more, I think ($250-300ish). Both have excellent warranties.
Hi-Point will basically send you a new gun and extra mags if you ever have a problem, even if you're the 20th owner of the gun. So that's nice customer service. People throw a red dot on and have a blast. The down side is it doesn't fold (though it's pretty small to begin with relative to other rifles) and it only takes the Hi-Point 10 round mags.
The Kel-Tec folds in half, which is great for portability and storage. Plus, it is made to accept other pistol mags (e.g. Glock 17 mags, which can take the 33-rounder). So that's great if you have one of the pistols that it shares mags with. You have to specify which version you want (e.g. Glock, S&W, etc.) when you order it.
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Mr. Caliber...for $250 you could get a VERY nice 91/30 nagant AND a yugo SKS plus a couple hundred rounds!
Check out www.classicarms.us
Also I generally buy my ammo at gun shows since shipping is SOOOOO expensive!
Check out www.classicarms.us
Also I generally buy my ammo at gun shows since shipping is SOOOOO expensive!
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