Cheap chinese knock off red dots

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Another vote for the Ultra Dot. I had one on a Thompson/Center Encore Pistol in .270 Winchester and after firing 100 rounds through the barrel with full power loads had no issues whatsoever.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr
 
If the specs are crappy then the Chinese guys will build crappy ones for you.

Not completely according to Marshall at Primary Arms, he imports direct and told me his biggest problem is they always come back to him with "we can make it cheaper" but he keeps telling them "I don't need it cheaper, I need it better for the same price!"

If he starts selling another Chinese reflex sight that uses one of the "standard" mounting plates I'll give it a try and return it for the real thing if it doesn't work out. If you can afford to gamble, go for it.
 
I found not much inference between the 100 dollar ones and the 600 dollar ones. Unless you are going into combat, I think the eotech and aimpoint red dots are just too much money.
 
I figure it depends on what your buying it for and just how high (or low) you set your standards. If it's for a play gun never to be used outside of plinking or range time, you don't care if you have to fire off extra ammo because the sights drifted and what not, sure go ahead. It's your money and if you want to buy several to replace broken ones, more power to ya.
If it's on something a bit more serious like a match gun, might work for you but make sure you can take loosing a match if the accuracy isn't up to snuff or it just plan quits working. If your ego is easily bruised, then you might want to get a better sight that will hold its zero and hold up to abuse.
Finally, if you're buying one of these things to put on a firearm that will have a chance of seeing duty in a self defense scenario, I'd run the other way from one of these things. Maybe your life and the life of your family is held to pretty cheap standards but me and mine isn't. When it comes to anything I plan to use to defend the lives of me and my loved ones, I spare no expense to ensure that my gear is good to go from a trusted reputable source. If this is your plan, you may want to reevaluate your priorities, think things over, then avoid the cheap Chinese junk and get the good stuff.

I think you need to read the first post. I wouldn't put a $1k piece of glass on a SD/HD gun that's just another thing to fail.
 
What is the point in having a gunsight that won't sight the gun?

With red dots you are generally trading accuracy for speed. My RMR has a 9 MOA dot this is awful at 100 yards got at 10-25 yards on a hand gun its under 2.5" which is accurate enough for speed events.

While you can't miss fast enough to win, its trivially easy to be slow enough to lose!

--wally.
 
With red dots you are generally trading accuracy for speed.

I use many red dot sights, and all will hit exactly where I am aiming. To say that accuracy is not important is ridiculous.
 
Red Dot

I have several firearms with red dots and I really like them all. I have expensive ones ie Trjicon RMR, Eotech, AimPoint, J-Point. All these work well. And really in-expensive ones Pentax, and China made micro-red dots. The problem with the inexpensive red dots (and I've tried several) is:

1. The adjustments on some are not "linear" and there's a great deal of "slack"
in the mechanism AT TIMES when you change DIRECTION. This makes them
very hard to sight in.
2. Many of the cheap auto Brightness dots are subject to being too bright under
some conditions and the dot flares making it not as precise as I like.

Of the micro red dots on pistols. Nothing I've owned compares to the Trijicon RMR series but they are expensive. Some of the cheap China made ones can vary a great deal even in the same brand. I returned two that did not work well at all but the 3rd one works acceptably. Seems hit or miss.

I just mounted a Pentax on a Neos. It cost next to nothing ($60-$70)and has an adjustable dot which I like. It is somewhat large but not heavy. I haven't tried to sight it in yet so do not know if it adjust precisely. I suspect it will as it seems foolish for Pentax to put their name on junk. I'll post after sight in if it works.
 
Anyone ever try mounting one of the cheap clone red dot to a pistol slide? ...

So has anyone tired this with any of the Chinese knock off red dots?

I am not really into laser sights, I prefer iron sights. But just for the heck of it I bought a $15 dollar rail sight from eBay. It is an uber cheap chinese. sight. I wanted to see how it would stand up mounted on my 9mm's rail. I will report back. The link to one like what I bought is below.

http://m.ebay.com/itm/291047671928
 
A friend of mine has had one of the Barksa red dots on his S&W 15-22 for a long time now, never had a problem with it, so I bought one for mine and it worked great, I put it on my Sub2000 and it has had no issues. Not bad for like $39.95.
 
Pentax Red Dot

I mounted the inexpensive Pentax red dot on my Neos. Mine worked fine and no troubles thus far. The bad news is I gave another one to a friend for Christmas. His has not worked at all. The adjustments do not seem to work in any direction. Doesn't even seem to be attached to any thing mechanical. I'll return it and see what Pentax does.
 
Some of them work, like nc star, I wouldn't want to use one on a gun that I had for defensive purposes. But for fooling around they are ok.
 
Ya I went ahead and bought one when I get around to testing it I'll be sure to report back. The good new is if it doesn't work the burris fast fire II will go on the same dovetail sight mounts as the doctors so I'll probably spend the 160 bucks and go that route if this fails.
 
I intend to see how they hold up to 9mm.

I've got one of the cheap Target Sports 1" tube (CDNN house brand) red dots on a .44Mag S&W 629 and haven't touched it since I initially zeroed it. I figured I'd either buy something better or remove the rings and replace the irons -- this was back when I first got old and had trouble focusing on the front sight -- but so far its more then met my needs.

I'm not a high volume .44Mag shooter, but its probably over 500 rounds since I mounted it.

OTOH if its one of the "reflex" models and not a tube type, I'd bet against it. Let us know.
 
Well, you do get what you pay for. Picked up an NCStar and the adjustments were crude - the amount of slop was more than the amount of travel the screw provided. It was two clicks forward, one back and hope it held.

But, the entire point of a red dot is that it trades accuracy FOR speed, you can see the dot on the target and make a shoot decision much quicker. It's entirely the point of why they exist and why they are service issue. The average soldier has the red dot mounted in combat, but stores the BUIS in his pack. They are reliable enough to trust.

What is interesting are the reports coming back from the vendors of the known Chinese sights - having toured the plant, they say their goods are being manufactured along side certain high end Brand names that have models sold under military contract. Those issue sights must be assembled in the US by law, but the aftermarket ones don't. Therefore, I suspect that the $400 -600 red dots similar to issue aren't made in the USA - and why should they be?

On the other hand, the US issue sights are not as indestructible as some think, the light repair maintenance NCO's have reported back for years they have broken sights by the locker full. The glass isn't unbreakable, a stray round hitting the optic will disable it, enough dust and gravel will scratch the lens. Batteries leak and corrode the circuits, and enough pounding, things will loosen and fall apart. The M4 isn't indestructible either.

If the Brand of sight has an acceptable reputation and it works for what you are using it for, you got your money's worth. A red dot is just a flat lens or two, a projected LED or laser on the lens, and some screws to get it on zero. Compared to a pair of binoculars they are dirt simple. Consider that $400 will get you polished and coated lenses with variable power than can see moving game inside the treeline, vs a flat lens with a red dot on it, the cost difference between Leupold hunting binos and an Aimpoint red dot has some issues. Bluntly, the Aimpoint should be half or less - but the reputation seems to have some convinced the money is justified.

That is known in business as Good Will, which the marketing arm exploits to the fullest. It's why Rolex can charge $8000 for a nice $500 watch - which is where they really rank in terms of accuracy and workmanship. An $400 Aimpoint is better than a $40 import red dot, but not 100 X better, not by a long shot.

You do get what you pay for, but a lot of times, you are just paying to be a member of the Club. It's not in measurable or tangible properties that can be documented. It's Brand identification, my Chebby is better'n your Ford, and that's when you see the chest thumping to cover up the lack of real difference.
 
Check out the lucid hd7 gen3 it was designed in Wyoming and built in China to cut costs it's a great sight very durable and was tested all the way up to a 458 socom
 
Sight came in today, I'll have to throw it on the 9mm carbine for now as I don't have the pistol mount

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Doctor is not a "Cheap Chinese red dot".

Good quality, probably a bit better than the Burris Fastfire, they run $350+ new.

I expect this will work out fine.
 
Doctor is not a "Cheap Chinese red dot".

Good quality, probably a bit better than the Burris Fastfire, they run $350+ new.

I expect this will work out fine.

Ya I know but it's not a true doctor, still cost 30 bucks from a Chinese website brand new.

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This one has a on/off switch that is tied into the mount, so even tho it might mount up to a Sightdove tails for pistols I would still have to figure out where to move the switch to and cut a new hole. Might not be a good option for what I had intended for it but I've got other guns it can go on.
 
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I have one of the cheap NCStar reflex sights on my Buckmark; it's a great cheap way of learning if you like the concept but not a very good sight. The switch got flaky very early on, so I have to wiggle it to get the dot back on every couple of shots; on a recent range trip it suddenly lost zero, jumping up by a degree or so (over a foot at 15 yards) and now wanders vertically while the horizontal stays steady.
 
Im surprised Primary Arms and Vortex havent been mentioned more. They seem to get great reviews and be very popular. Same with the Bushnell TRS 25.
 
Had Chinese made TASCO scope and red dot. They both awful as the lenses in the scope came loose, and cross hair in the red dot and the dot became blurry after slight use.

Rather use iron sights then junk or spend up to get quality equipment. By experimenting with these cheapo stuff, I notice that I was always better off to just pay once for the quality. You end paying more at the end of the day. You go though myriad of cheap stuff and waste money before realizing and buying the original after all.
 
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