Cheapest way to get into Full Auto

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Simple , if it's full auto , it's full auto , anything else is not. You will not get the same feeling from bump firing , etc. Not that there is anything wrong with other ways , it is just not the same . Too each his own , in the end we each spend our $$$ where we want.

I can tell you a semi auto Tommy is no where near as fun as a full auto , and a semi auto Uzi is not as fun as a full auto ( Vector ). Hopefully this Sunday , if all goes well , I can report back how enjoyable an MG08-15 is :)
 
So, I find it strange that there are tons of NIB Mac's out there.... who were these made for and why are so many still NIB....
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When the FOPA was passed with the Hughes Amendment, the manufacturer went into around the clock production until the effective date. I read in some firearms publication back in '86-'87 or so that more FA weapons were manufactured for civilian ownership in those six months than in the 52 years from passage of NFA until FOPA.
 
no, by far the cheapest way is to get a $1000 Title II manufacturer's license. See my post on .22 mg's.
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And if you were already planning to spend your life "in the business" of dealing and manufacturing firearms, that's a fine idea.

An FFL and SOT are not for the purposes of enhancing your own collection.

As member Bubbles recently said:

The application fee for a Type 07 FFL (firearm manufacturer) is $150. The license is valid for three years.
The SOT is $500.00 per year if your total gross receipts are less than $500,000.00 per year, otherwise the tax is $1000.00 per year.
ITAR registration is $2250.00 per year.
Throw in liability insurance, machines and tooling, raw materials, office equipment, computers and software, and other normal costs of doing business (utilities, rent, legal fees, etc) and it gets spendy real fast.
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Not to hijack or anything, but if you buy a ar-15 and have it converted to be full auto, would the pre-1986 rule still apply?
That's probably a stupid question, but I don't know very much about full autos.
 
Not to hijack or anything, but if you buy a ar-15 and have it converted to be full auto, would the pre-1986 rule still apply?
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You can't legally convert an AR-15 to full-auto now. That's what the whole "must be manufactured before May 19 1986" law is all about.

The only people who can manufacturer new MG's are FFL MG manufacturers who make them for the military, law enforcement agencies, and as "dealer samples" to demonstrate to military and law enforcement agencies.

(And not, you can't buy a "dealer sample" unless you are a MG dealer and need one to demo to an agency)
 
Right now, MAC's are the lowest cost way to go. Tons of em out there, even the Powder Springs orig ones are always up on the auction sites and listed in shot gun news or gun list or what ever it is called now.
 
sten gun is cheap,tons of spare parts around,mags are cheap(orig and new mfg)packs into a small package,and unlike a mac,you can shoot it at 100 yd targets.at 550 rpm,won't eat ammo as fast.try swedish k also.smith 76
 
I had a suppressed MAC 11 back when I had my Class III license. I wasn't at all unhappy to see it sold. Hard to handle, and the suppressor wasn't all that effective.
 
Funny to see this post restarted. There are a lot of differing opinions regarding "affordable" FA guns.
I have both a Mac 11 9mm and an AC556
They are totally different animals. Neither of which is controllable on full auto. No matter how much you practice. If you are looking for accuracy buy a sniper rifle in 308.
If you are looking for killing power buy the new Keltech dual mag shotgun.
However if you are looking for fun buy any Submachine gun (pistol round ie. 9mm or 45 auto) or Machine gun (rifle cartridge ie .223) and you will never...never..walk away from a full auto burst without a huge smile on your face..guaranteed.

I think any FA are worth the money. And they are not getting cheaper.
Just my HO
 
Cheap and full auto do not go together. Just consider the cost of ammunition. You know you will never use full auto to defend your home. The only time I had a practical use for full auto was when I manned a machine gun. I do not see a civilian equivalent.

If you really like these weapons, a little time in the military might help.
 
They are totally different animals. Neither of which is controllable on full auto. No matter how much you practice.
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I haven't shot one, but the word is the Lage slow fire upper makes a world of difference on a Mac. After coming across the Lage and doing some research I've been pretty seriously considering a Mac ever since.
 
...but the word is the Lage slow fire upper makes a world of difference on a Mac.
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Yup. That's what I'm seeing too. The MACs are almost as modular as an AR-15. You can add barrel length, a bit of weight, a good stock, optics, a comfortable foreward grip, and then set the cyclic rate to whatever you like. They are "uncontrollable" only because of small size, bad ergonomics, and sky high rate of fire. Change all that and you've got a very usable gun!
 
It's really a bummer that F-troop nixed the idea of using a registered MAC-10 lower with a beltfed upper. That would have really been a great full-auto option.
 
The Lage uppers are fantastic. I had one for a few years but had to sell it when my car died. There are people that compete in subgun matches with stock M10s and M11s. They are controllable, it just takes quite a bit of practice. I only fired mine in stock form for fun - 4 rounds is the least I was able to get off in a burst IIRC. It's also fun to put an oversize buffer in them and really get that rate of fire up there :)
 
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