Spdracr39
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I believe they can. Just arrest anyone that can't produce their papers on demand and send them to a labor camp. The communists did it all the time.find a way to make criminals follow any such system and I'd consider it.
I believe they can. Just arrest anyone that can't produce their papers on demand and send them to a labor camp. The communists did it all the time.find a way to make criminals follow any such system and I'd consider it.
What part of private did you not understand?I would not mind such a system. I would like a way to sell a gun privately without worrying about whether the guy just got out of prison for armed robbery.
I don't see a problem with a gun "buyer's license". It doesn't prove you own any guns, just that you considered it at one point.
pockets said:The Ohio CHL (Concealed Handgun License) does not take the place of a background check, it never has. . . . Mine sure hasn't.
There is no registry of who owns which guns. They do not request that information when doing a Background check and no background check is completed for CCW holder. So this would really be no different.So instead of leading to a registry of who owns which guns, it just leads to a registry of who owns guns?
No. I refuse.
There is a way it could work. But the basic principle is that a person is cleared to purchase unless the right is forfeited (there is the murky area). Nothing would say they did or did not purchase anything. That would replace the current system. Might not be a perfect solution, but for once it is a compromise where they give more than us.Correct; Ohio has no permits that qualify as an alternative to NICS. As of 8-26-2011, this ATF list shows all of the NICS alternatives by state.
The more discussion I see of checking the buyer rather than the gun transaction, the more I am in favor of checking everyone when they get a drivers license and putting a limitation (text or logo) on the licenses of prohibited persons. I could 'compromise' on such a system IF:
- Everyone had a NICS check when they got a drivers license; there would be no record that would identify a person as a gun owner.
- NICS checks would be one-time; if a person subsequently became prohibited, the court imposing the disability would not only submit information to NICS, but also seize the person's drivers license and have it invalidated by the state of issue.
- 4473 forms would be eliminated; even now, with only 3-4 dozen prosecutions a year, they do not 'prevent' sales to prohibited persons, and only serve as records of dubious value in trying to trace guns after a crime has occurred.
- Limitations on interstate sales of firearms would be eliminated; this is a throwback to the era of paper records and checking with localized law enforcement - the national NICS database is just as applicable to the most distant state to which a person might travel as it is to their state of residence.