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Chicago Tribune (July 24) : "Hard to find good reason to buy back guns"

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Neo-Luddite, Jul 24, 2008.

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  1. Neo-Luddite

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    Eric Zorn examines the 'logic' behind Mayor Daley's upcomming gun turn-in project; you can almost see the magic Heller dust twinkling in the morning air by the time you get to the excerpt from the Mayor's screed on the subject (the FULL transcript is MORE incoherent than the sample offered by Zorn in point 6).




    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chicago/chi-zorn-24-jul24,0,6357125.column


    Here are six reasons I'm wary of gun buybacks, such as the one scheduled for Saturday in Chicago in which those who turn in firearms at any of 25 locations get a $100 prepaid credit card per gun, no questions asked.

    1. I can't imagine criminals disarming themselves for a lousy $100.

    Sure, they might dump their excess, scrap or stolen piece for the bounty. But if having a gun is integral to their criminal activities, it's absurd to think a buyback would inspire them to give up the tools of their trade.

    2. I don't see the economic sense of offering law-abiding people a flat fee for their guns.

    If you own a firearm worth more than $100, as most firearms are, the only reason to take less for it is if you have no use for it. In that case, your gun is probably not contributing to the gun violence these programs are supposed to address.

    3. I worry about buyback programs subsidizing crime and weapons traffic.

    When an evildoer offers up a junky old firearm that's worth less than $100, the money stands not only to help him purchase a better gun but also creates an incentive for him to hoard and steal cheap guns.

    A regular buyback program (Saturday will be Chicago's fourth annual) "will actually raise gun holdings since it permanently lowers ownership costs," according to a March 2001 analysis in the International Review of Law and Economics. They will "therefore have the opposite effect of what buyback proponents intend."

    4. I can't find much evidence that buybacks are effective.

    I went searching and found study after study concluding, as the U.S. Surgeon General concluded in a 2001 report on youth violence, that gun buyback programs are "a particularly expensive strategy [that has] consistently been shown to have no effect on gun violence, including firearm-related homicide and injury."

    The report added, "There is some evidence that most of the guns turned in are not functional and that most persons turning in guns have other guns at home."

    Was I somehow missing studies that showed the opposite? The Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence and the Chicago Police Department, backers of the program, had nothing. The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence didn't respond to a detailed query.

    5. I'm not convinced that buybacks get "problem" guns off the streets.

    Chicago Police Department spokeswoman Monique Bond didn't have any kind of statistical breakdown of the roughly 6,050 firearms obtained in last year's buyback. What percentage were actually functional? What sorts of crimes were they traced back to?

    6. I hear in Mayor Richard Daley's arm-flapping jibber-jabber on this point an admission that the buyback is simply a feel-good program to make citizens believe the city is actually doing something to reduce gun violence.

    "If someone takes that gun and fires at you, are you willing to take that chance?" Daley demanded of a reporter Tuesday when asked about the guns' quality. "Not many people are. Besides that, no one likes to have a gun placed in front of their face. So don't ever think that the guns turned in don't work." He went on: "We're going to go over [to your office] and find out whether they work. We don't ask anyone to do that. They do work. These weapons are very significant. They do work."

    You can read a longer transcript of Daley's defense of the buyback online at chicagotribune.com/zorn, where I'm building a webliography of sources on this topic.

    My mind remains open, but I can't think of one reason why.
     
  2. mbdolfin

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    gun buyback?? $100.00 for each gun! i am in!

    i have a couple of old bb guns ....and some other non functional rusted shotguns that aren't worth 10 bucks. if i got a $100.00 for each one that would be great. i am in.
    when are they having one around philadelphia area?
    i will put the newly collected funds towards that new Barrett that i have been saving for.....then after i get it ...i will send a thank you note to the mayor for helping me fund my new .50 cal airplane destroying.. tank killing..evil sniper rifle!
     
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    Ah-ha! Blatant security theater (though is that not the case with virtually all gun legislation?) - it would seem that Mr. Daley and co. have taken some cues from the TSA. Tax dollars at work!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_theater
     
  4. Henry Bowman

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    Do you have a link to the full transcript of Daley's "arm-flapping jibber-jabber"?
     
  5. GarySTL

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    Maybe I'm not the first to think of this, but here goes:

    If the city is buying guns for cash, or prepaid credit cards, and they do it annually, which appears to be the case as this is number four, it would seem to me that the city is in the "business" of buying guns.

    Which raises the question of whether the city has a FFL? After all, anyone in the business needs an FFL. Or is this a case of the city using the "gun show loophole"? Or are they in violation of some federal laws?

    Think of the children!:evil:
     
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    What disturbes me most about these buybacks is in some cases they do not trace them to see if they are stolen. So it becomes just a government sponcered fencing operation of stolen goods.

    Wonder what the wholesale price for jimenez guns are under $100...
     
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    It is only a business if you are actually selling them as well.
     
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    How the hell does someone that incoherent get elected? If I sounded like that when I implemented a system for my clients, I'd never get hired.
     
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    He elected due to his family's political machine...
     
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