Children and guns

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I'll say this from the beginning: I am not a parent, nor do I provide care for any children. This is just an observation/hypothetical that I thought up while reading the thread about doctors asking their patients' parents about guns. Anyway...

Growing up, my family was relatively anti-gun. My mom would have nothing to do with them, and my dad, though rather neutral on the subject itself, consented to Mom, and as such there were no firearms in the house until I was 19 and bought my Mosin Nagant. Thinking back on my childhood, I'm presented with a few parallels and equivalents to firearms, however.

My dad was (and still is) the very definition of handyman, and in particular has a passion for carpentry and woodworking of all sorts. He had a shop in the basement will all manner of woodworking tools, from hammers to table saws, jig saws, band saws, radial arm saws, drills, drill presses, belt sanders, etc... When I was growing up, I used to love going down to the basement to watch him work his magic on things. I oftentimes expressed desire to learn how to do these things my dad did so well, and wanted to learn how these awesome, loud, powerful tools worked. My dad, being the great parent he always was, took it in stride and started teaching me the first day I inquired. He taught me about hearing protection, eye protection, hazardous chemicals, proper power tool safety (you think guns are dangerous? Try using a radial arm saw!! :what: ), and most of all, respect for all the equipment.

The upshot of this is that from a young age (I'd say around 7 or 8), I knew how to use most of his power tools safely and effectively. I never abused them, played with them, or suffered any injuries during their use. My dad supervised me while using the power tools till I was about 13, at which point he granted me permission to use them on my own, if I needed to. Even then, I never had a problem using them safely.

I'd imagine that in a proper environment, firearms could (and even should) be treated just like my dad's power tools were when I was growing up, in the sense that early instruction and guidance in their safety and use would preclude the likelihood of a child misusing the firearm(s). I am supposing this because of a few observations: Even a child who's 12 years old, if he/she is trained and proficient with the use of a rifle or pistol, could conceivably stop a home intrusion if the child has access to a firearm. Not to say I think it's a good idea to leave them laying around the house, but in the same kind of storage my dad had for his tools; in their own specified area (in a cabinet, for example), with ammunition nearby if not in the gun.

I guess this boils down to a question. Do you think it's plausible to leave firearms accessible to your (slightly older) children who have earned your trust and proven their responsibility and sense of safety? Any comments are welcome. :)
 
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guess this boils down to a question. Do you think it's plausible to leave firearms accessible to your (slightly older) children who have earned your trust and proven their responsibility and sense of safety? Any comments are welcome.

I had unrestricted acces to a .22LR rifle and .410 shotgun and ammo for each at 8 years old.

I never killed anything but jackrabbits and dove (well there was that one skunk but I got too close so I don't like to think of that incident) or touched the guns unless I was heading outside to shoot them.

They sat in the corner of my room with a baseball bat and a tennis racket.

Because of silly laws I won't say whether my 11 year old son has access or not, but I wish I theoretically had had access to the things HE theoretically has access to.
 
I had unrestricted acces to a .22LR rifle and .410 shotgun and ammo for each at 8 years old.
:what: :what: :what:

Wow, I wasn't even allowed to use the oven when i was eight.:D

That being said, I think maybe a 12 year old(obviously smart and mature) could probably handle the responsibilities of knowing where a loaded firearm was. I still think even 12 might be a bit young but it just depends on the kid...I know when I was 12, I would have never been dangerous with it, but who knows how many dead animals would have been laying around the yard :evil:

Come to think about it, I actually had access to all of my dads(and mine) firearms from almost any age, but I was told not to mess with them without his permission so I didn't(I didn't care too much for pissing my dad off :D )
 
I guess this boils down to a question. Do you think it's plausible to leave firearms accessible to your (slightly older) children who have earned your trust and proven their responsibility and sense of safety? Any comments are welcome.

Yes, it is plausible.

It is not legal in all jurisdictions.

More here:

http://www.corneredcat.com/Kids/firstlesson.aspx
http://www.corneredcat.com/Kids/disarming.aspx
http://www.corneredcat.com/Kids/talking.aspx
http://www.corneredcat.com/Kids/1932.aspx

pax
 
Your dad was a wise man. And you seem to be as well.

MY dad was a carpenter/building contractor, and taught me about tools, and guns. Unfortunately, he passed away when I was 13. I started hunting alone with a shotgun when I was 12. I'd ride my bicycle out to my cousin's farm and hunt rabbits, squirrels, doves and quail.

As far as the proper age, I think it depends on the individual. I allowed my son to hunt and target shoot without supervision when he was 14. Looking back, I probably should have trusted him at 12, but I elected to err on the side of caution.

Some of my friends have grandchildren that I would trust unsupervised with a gun at 10 or 11. Others, I wouldn't have trusted at 18!

IMHO, a good tool to use is to ask several of your shooting buddies who know your child whether or not they would trust your child unsupervised. Often, friends of the family can see both good and bad traits in a child that the parents are too close to see.
 
I think it differs from kid to kid. I myself am almost 19 and my parents are the same way as yours. I own 2 guns and there are no problems. My girlfriend has been hunting with her father for a long time and she is very careful when it comes to guns. I believe you have to know your kids very well before guns come into play. I plan on introducing my children to guns but under my supervision. My brother is 21 and I would not trust him with a gun. I love him but he has made many a bad decision in his day. Some kids are smart as hell but others make poor decisions as a way of life.
 
My older brother and I both started shooting with supervision when we were 3 or 4 years old. My parents emphasized that our "toy" guns weren't toys at all, but were, in fact, "training aids." We learned the four rules and were expected to follow them even with the "training aids." Guns were emphasized as one of the largest differences between "children" and "adults." Anyone who treated a gun or a training aid without respect was obviously a child and didn't get the privilege of shooting. Our parents told us that anytime we wanted to look at or handle any of the guns we could if we got one of them to help us. They also emphasized that, rather than assuming any of the guns around the house might be unloaded, we could know with certainty that all of them were most definitely loaded, which certainly removed any chance for confusion. No problems for us.
 
my two boys (7+9) both shoot 22's very well. pistol and rifle. we never do anything unsafe, and I use "hands-on" cautions especially with the 7 yr old. both of them know the gun will kill, I've shown them what it does to squirrels. they both know if they are at someone's home and a young friend of theirs comes out with a gun to leave immediately. we live in the sticks, everyone has many guns. the boys need to know everything there is to know about gun safety.
 
I will far more trust a 4 year old who has been educated from birth about guns than a 12 year old who finds Dad's gun hidden under the mattress and has had no exposure or education about guns. It is ALL ABOUT education, education and more education when they are little. Don't hide them and hope they don't find them, but better to satisfy their curiousity about guns while they are little.

My three sons all grew up with and around guns. I will trust any of them over many adults I've come across. My 4 yr old granddaughter has been raised with them, and she knows not to touch. Guns are no big deal to her, because they are an everyday "thing". But she knows she's not allowed to touch.

Waiting until a kid is 12 years old to teach them about guns is 12 years too late!:banghead:
 
I was "educated from birth" and had access to Dad's guns. I wouldn't have dreamed of using them without permission.
I knew about guns, tools, etc before I knew about locks. Heck, I don't think my folks started locking a door until I was out of college over 25 years ago.
 
It's been a long time, so I'm not real sure of the ages involved... Think I was about 14 when I was given my first shotgun (single shot 16ga), so my little brother (who received a .410 at the same time) must have been around 10yrs. old. That would make middle bro about 13.

The 3 of us and the neighbor kid helped keep the ground squirrel and jack rabbit population under control, with a few ducks & geese thrown in for good measure. Nobody ever got hurt.

So, yes, a kid that has been properly instructed & shows the necessary level of responsibility can and should be trusted with firearms.

Son & I are working with 8 year grandson now. He fired grandma's S&W 642 on Easter morning for the first time.
 
I was "educated from birth" and had access to Dad's guns. I wouldn't have dreamed of using them without permission.

same here Kingcreek... and my sons have been raised the same way also.

The other day I had my 686 on the kitchen table while I was getting out my supplies to clean it after a day of shooting. My youngest(14) and a friend walked in and I overheard my son tell his friend..."you touch that gun without asking and I'll havta kick your ass...."

His friend laughed and asked "why's that?"

"cause if I let you touch my dad's gun without asking, I'm gonna get MY ass kicked......and believe me, that ain't gonna happen."
 
I had access to my fathers guns practically from birth as well. I had my own single shot .22 when I was 4 or 5, it was kept with dad's. I had my shotgun and hunting rifle in my room from about 10 on and never did I think of "playing" with them.
 
I have always said the reason children are injured or killed because they are playing with guns happens because of ignorance of the parents.

Think back to when you were young..... What was a sure way to get any child to do something you didn't want them to do? Just tell them they can't....

If children were allowed to use firearms at a young age and taught to use them correctly and safely accidents would almost disappear. When you take away the mystique you take away the urge to touch when you aren't supposed to. Lack of knowledge of how to use a firearm correctly and safely is a recipe for disaster.

Go to PAX's web site and read about "Disarming Kids' Curiosity". http://www.corneredcat.com/TOC.aspx#Kids
 
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