Children and Guns

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What's your stance on this subject? I feel very strongly about educating children about firearms. I'm curious to see what you guys do. What age do you begin teaching your kids? I wrote a 4 part blog post about this subject and received mix reviews.

http://womenofcaliber.wordpress.com/2009/03/26/children-and-guns—part-i/

http://womenofcaliber.wordpress.com/2009/03/31/children-and-guns—part-ii/

http://womenofcaliber.wordpress.com...-is-it-safe-to-educate-your-children-on-guns/

http://womenofcaliber.wordpress.com/2009/04/14/children-and-guns-part-iv/
 
as soon as my kids go old enough that it might be possible for them to get their hands on a gun I started training them. My youngest daughter shot her first rifle at about age 3. I was holding it of course but the noise and what it did to a target made her know that it was not a toy. A bullet in a bottle of water or a melon is very impressive. by the time they were in school they knew how to check a gun for being loaded. by the time they were about 10 they could tear a gun down and clean it. They never once thought of a gun as a toy to play with. if a kid can walk and talk they are old enough to see that a gun is not a toy.
 
I think you've done a GREAT job!

My children are exposed to firearms almost daily and have a working, fluent understanding of the "4 rules" of gun safety.

I shoot competitively and am the Match Director for my IDPA club as well as actively enjoying other shooting disciplines. There is almost constant gun cleaning, ammo reloading, match preparation, and stage design going on at my house. My kids are very interested in what I do and are certainly not immune to the "gun fascination" that all kids seem to have.

I can't possibly, and would not ever try to, tell them that guns are "off-limits" to them. Instead, I've given them access to firearms in order to assuage their curiosity and educate them, under safe and controlled conditions of my choosing.

We do not purchase toy guns (though I had them growing up and I always was perfectly clear about the difference -- beyond question) but the kids find a way -- and several thousand sticks and scraps of wood have been pressed into service as such. (My 7 year old daughter whittled, painted, wrapped up, and gave to my 4 year old son a plywood "revolver" for Christmas this year. :D) No horseplay or gross violations of the safety rules are EVER tolerated with these improvised weapons -- but the funny thing is that they really DON'T play with them that way. They'll "shoot" deer for "food" and they love setting up mock courses of fire and holding "matches." But they don't watch television or violent movies and have never hear nor seen people misusing firearms that way. In fact, the thousands of shooters they've met and watched have been almost universally match shooters exercising the highest level of safety precautions you're likely to find anywhere. And it shows in how they play.

Both of my older kids began shooting (with a LOT of help and hands-on guidance) at age 3. For my daughter, that included a .45 ACP 1911 and 7.62 carbine. At 7, my daughter can handle a .44 Special revolver (almost) unassisted. But (see post: http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=5539478&postcount=4) even now I am still extremely "hands-on" in my training. Just because kids understand and can quote the safety rules doesn't mean that it is reasonable or fair to expect them to follow them perfectly and without lapses in judgment. They're still just kids and you have to create a safety net that catches and corrects their slips without harming anyone.

The amount and type of shooting practice is also completely kid-directed. I intend to never push them to fire one more round than their interested in shooting or anything larger than they are comfortable with. I had moments of "gun shyness" as a scrawny kid trained with inappropriately powerful weapons and I don't want my kids to have to work through such difficulties. My daughter loves the noise and recoil of every gun she's ever tried to shoot. My (middle) son loves .22s and most pistols but doesn't care for the high-velocity concussion of rifle fire. So their exposures to live fire have been very different so far in order to play to their sensitivities and strengths.

In the end, I don't know if my kids will ever have a long term interest in the shooting sports, or if they'll be great hunters or marksmen. That's entirely up to them, though of course I will give them every advantage they desire if they want to work towards those goals. I can ensure, however, that they will know what to do in any gun-related situation they will encounter and can be very sure that they will make good choices.

-Sam
 
Associate them with firearms as young as possible. When they can walk and talk, they're old enough to learn about firearms and how they're not a toy. 3 - 7 is a good age to begin teaching. Of course, the parent should take a firearm safety class before teaching about firearms, or take the child with them to a firearm safety class.

How do you teach a kid to read and write? Start em young and never stop teaching.
 
I really have enjoyed reading what some of you guys do. I'm glad that our kids are being taught at a young age. More importantly I am happy that they are being taught to respect firearms. :D
 
Its never too early to teach kids to respect guns. What a tragedy here:


MIAMI, Florida (CNN) -- A Florida boy remains in stable condition just days after he found his parents' long-forgotten handgun in a closet and accidentally shot himself in the head.


Police are deciding whether or not to charge parents after their son found a forgotten gun and shot himself.

Sheriff's detectives in Pinellas County, Florida, near St. Petersburg, say the boy found the .25-caliber European semi-automatic handgun in a box in a closet in their home.

"They are dealing with this very tragic situation, and at this point, no charges have been filed," said Cecilia Barreda of the Pinellas County sheriff's office.

His stepfather found Jacob Larson, 12, with a gunshot wound to the head Friday. The stepfather called 911.

Police say the shooting took place between 7:40 a.m., when his mother, Tracy Newman, leaves for work, and about 11 a.m., when his stepfather, Joseph Newton, returns home. The boy normally goes to school about 8:30 a.m.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/21/forgotten.gun/

This family will never be the same, whether the boy recovers or not. Guns are meant to be lethal. What kind of blockhead just forgets that they have one in their possession?
 
I was taught at a pretty young age (4or5)to handle guns with respect they are not a toy but still very fun when used properly. That got me hooked I recieved my first gun at age 8 and have been hunting and shooting since (25 years or so). I used the same principles with my daughters and seems to work very well with them also. My oldest is 11 and she handles guns safer than a lot adults we see at the range. She shot her first dove last season and remained safe the entire season. I know that growing up in our home should come with great knowledge on safety. The kids do not have access to any guns un supervised ever. However if the scenario should arise they know enough about guns to stay away from it and let an adult know. Our family will never be a gun accident statitic and it is because of teaching my kids at a young age about guns.
 
At four my daughter could name all principle parts of a military bolt action rifle and knew (1) not to handle my guns without my help, and (2) we always check the chamber. At six she was helping to keep score at the trap range. At eight she had her Red Ryder BB gun -- which we shot at the range and treated as a weapon just like my SAR-1. At eleven she was shooting my .22 rifles. Could have done it earlier, but I didn't push guns, she was dealing with some other stuff, and she loved her BB. This summer, at twelve, she may shoot an SKS carbine. No big hurry. One thing -- she has always been prohibited from having or even touching a toy gun. As she tells her friends when asked, "No. I only shoot real guns, with my Dad."
 
I'm with the crowd here.
I introduced my kids to guns at an early age
so as to DRILL home the point:
These things are tools, deadly tools and you
MUST treat them as such
and respect that fact at all times.
 
If children were just educated properly I don't think we would have as many accidents. I think it is great to hear that you're all educating your kids the proper way.
 
My children go shooting with me every other weekend. My 16 year old daughter is an amazing shot and puts all the men to shame on the pistol metal target range.

She's been shooting a Ruger Mark II since she was 6 and now she's coveting my Ruger Mark III...
 
I've already had my 17 month old out to the range, but he's still a baby. I'll continue to ask him if he wants to go to the range or go hunting with me. When he wants to go, I'll take him. Same for the rest of the kids. I'll always invite them and if they want in, I'll teach them everything they'll ever want to know.
 
I've found that taking my soon to be 4 yo daughter shooting is probably the best character building 1 on 1 time I could ever hope to spend with her. She got a little pink cricket from santa this past Christmas, and it will be handed down to her soon to be 2 yo sister when she outgrows it. My 10 yo son is in the exact same boat(marlin mdl60 instead of the pink cricket), and they all love the time we spend shooting.
 
She got a little pink cricket from santa this past Christmas, and it will be handed down to her soon to be 2 yo sister when she outgrows it. My 10 yo son is in the exact same boat(marlin mdl60 instead of the pink cricket), and they all love the time we spend shooting.

Many of you here do not get toy guns for your kids. I'm not sure what you count as "toy guns," but I enjoy getting into water-gun and nerf-gun fights with my daughter. However, she understands there is a difference between real and fake guns. She also understands the difference is not always obvious. She is probably going to get one of those Cricket rifles for Christmas this year from her grandparents, but I asked that it not be a pink one. I want there to be no mistaking this thing for a toy.
 
geniusiknowit: "Many of you here do not get toy guns for your kids. I'm not sure what you count as "toy guns," but I enjoy getting into water-gun and nerf-gun fights with my daughter. However, she understands there is a difference between real and fake guns. She also understands the difference is not always obvious. She is probably going to get one of those Cricket rifles for Christmas this year from her grandparents, but I asked that it not be a pink one. I want there to be no mistaking this thing for a toy."

The reason I forbade my daughter toy guns (and she never missed them) wasn't that I thought she'd mistake a real gun for a toy, but because I wanted no confusing her gun handling habits. Other than for purposes which she is still too young to understand or use them for, guns are not pointed at people, ever, for any reason, and muzzle discipline is strictly observed. Weapons are cleared at the firing line, always, and chambers are checked whenever a weapon is handled for any reason. None of that works with toys, and the toy guns can get the kid off task and into careless realgun habits. I've seen it happen, horrifyingly, with other people's children at the range. Gunhappy kids, pointing muzzles everywhere, obliviously. One nearly shot me in the kneecap. I don't shoot with that family anymore, or with other people's children. Not disciplined enough. And no, I'm not some monstrous control freak; if anything the reverse -- but "guns are different" and kids need to understand this. My GF remarked on how different I am around guns, when handling the one I carry, etc. Very observant of her.
 
I started shooting a 22 at 6 years old and learned really quick blowing up fruit and water jugs how dangerous they can be. Started hunting at 14 buy myself and carried a shotgun in my truck at 16 and to highschool. I depends on your life style and where you live as much as when you start your children shooting . I missed the red ryder thing and i think that is much better to start kids with a real gun training than starting with a bb gun.
 
My GF remarked on how different I am around guns

My wife has told me several times, "I can't believe how they act when they're at the range. How do you get them to behave like that? They don't listen that well at home even for you!"

The only answer I can give is, this is different. This is special. This demands your attention. This STOPS the second you lose focus and fail to pay the proper respect.

They get it -- they care -- they mature amazingly when the guns are out. Wish I could capture that attitude and see it more often, but I'm happy for what I've got.

-Sam
 
Started my kids at 3-4 depending on the kid.

"Want to shoot the gun?"

Nods.

"Heres a can of soda, would it hurt if it hit your head?"

Nods

"Then it must be a lot tougher than your head, right?"

Nods.

Shake it up good and set the can down about 6 feet away, help the kid hold and aim the gun and pull the trigger. All the while explaining just the way you would to an adult who could actually control it.

Results as expected, pick up gun and explain to kid that all guns are dangerous and ALL of Daddy's/Grandpa's guns are ALWAYS LOADED! and they can go shooting with me anytime, but never alone until I say so when they're older!

BB guns at 6 and learn to care for them, and why.

7-9 is plenty old enough for their own .22, and get them in a hunter safety course as soon as possible.

Never a problem with 12 so far getting that treatment!

And never any messing with guns in the home, no big deal, nothing fascinating, they knew they could 'go shooting' with me anytime they asked, and every trip was a safety lesson. Some liked it a lot, some just didn't care.

But they all had a good grounding in firearms training from 3 years on.

FWIW, my Grandfather was 8 when he shot and killed a horse thief with his dad's pistol, back about 1878. (he never talked about it but his brother and two sisters did.)

Wasn't any big deal to teach kids how to use a gun in those days, same as any other tool.

Less imaginary obstacles to overcome I believe.

Youngest Grand Daughter will be three in June, time to get her started!

Regards,
:)
 
My stance is educate them early and often. Take them shooting as soon as they can understand the rules and safely hold a firearm. My 9yr old girl can shoot a compact .45 ACP with minimal aid. My 6yr old can shoot her .22 rifle and pistols quite well. The oldest got them down a few years back. Best of all I don't have to worry about them getting my guns out of the vault or my nightstand gun and doing something stupid with them.

There is no substitue for training and education and you can not start them soon enough, even if it does not involve direct contact with firearms.
 
Sam1911- It's very true what you said. In my case when children are around guns at the range they understand how important it is to listen and be serious. (Not ALL kids will be serious and listen.) Age has a lot to do with it. Along with the techer.
 
A healthy respect without FEAR factor at a very young age..."they are not toys, consider them loaded no matter what anyone tells you, treat them as loaded by pointing in a safe direction, etc."

Parents should consider the possible outcome if not at home and leaving an unlocked, loaded or empty firearm anywhere on the property. There's good videos on youtube for parent's education. Check them out.

If I had a nickle for every time I'd realized that one adult or another had created fear in their children that they took to their adult years regarding dogs, fear of swimming-water, or other nonsense.
 
mine have been raised with the 4 rules and safety. i have noticed a phase change though that i have to be aware of...back when they were younger it was LAW and RULES and there was no dissention.

my son is now ten and i see the seeds of " i KNOW dad...geez" with certain rules other than guns. that whole " oh you are ten and know everything" stage...he has gained freedoms with responsibility, riding his bike around the neighborhood for example...but he expresses some frustration with not getting extra freedom when i comes to shooting/guns. i still keep my hand on his shoulder and stand right behind him as when he shooots, if something does not happen the way it is 'supposed to' ie the bolt does not lock open or the mag does not seat properly the first time..i am right there..of course i get a ' dad... i can DO it' response...but i do not feel that he has that amt of freedom just yet...

but they both get regular experience watching me follow ALL the rules ALL the time. hopefully that will count for something down the road..
 
I posted another blog yesterday. If you're interested here you go.

Countless Government Officials Guilty of Child Endangerment!

When you’re finished reading this piece, I hope that you will see how numerous of our government officials AND the majority of our journalists are actually guilty of premeditated child endangerment in our nation.



Don’t you HATE being manipulated? I don’t know about you, but I LOATHE being manipulated. So much so that when I’m watching a live presentation and I can tell that I’m being manipulated to laugh or clap or holler at a particular moment, I obstinately refuse to be a “joiner.” To me, manipulation is right up there with spewing “bold-face” lies. Such actions are disingenuous, and in my not-so-humble opinion, when such manipulated efforts are perpetrated by a government or otherwise trusted “officials”, it’s worse than just a lie. It’s an act of treason which is intended to strip me of my freedoms and security. So how would you like to discover that countless attempts are shot at you regularly to manipulate how you raise your children, and in doing so are actually putting your children at a significant danger? Yup. Now “Dem’s Fighting Words, Bubba!”

Welcome to the relationship our international media has with guns. Their motives are unfathomable to me, but they clearly reek of a subservience, minion-like attitude of one who is serving a tyrannical king. (Makes me wonder why so much blood has been spilt so that these journalists can have the right of free press, when they clearly do not use such a right freely.) While horrific criminals are being let off Scott free for premeditated murder of children, child abuse, child endangerment, and child slavery, our very own media is in love with manipulating our nation’s parents in their views and education of their children about firearms. IF firearms are a danger to the lives of children, then they are sounding a much needed warning cry. However, IF firearms are actually an effective means of protecting ourselves and our children, then such manipulation is a terrorist act, in my opinion. In such a case, here’s the real crime—the protection and safety of our children should be the number one priority of every single parent in America. Such instincts to protect the children are even remarkably innate in non-parents as well. And IF a firearm can actually ensure that an added measure of safety and security is available for our children, then anyone who would desire to eliminate such a tool is an enemy to my children, the future security of my country, and thus a terrorist enemy to me.



If right now, you cringe at the thought of possessing a firearm in your home or on your persons out of fear that a child may be harmed by it accidentally, then you have indeed fallen prey to this criminal campaign. Here’s why...

If you want you read more click here: http://womenofcaliber.wordpress.com...nment-officials-guilty-of-child-endangerment/

The blog is far to long to post the whole thing.
 
Here is a post from earlier this year about my 7yr. old grandson & his dad at a handgun safety class at our range.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=424841

My 4yr. old grandson got a Cricket for Xmas & has shot it with his dads help.
We belong to a private membership range that stresses safety, training & education.
We have 350 members, approx. 80% are NRA members.
Even though it is a private range, we host a lot of public events: IDPA, trap, scout & FFA events & the UC Merced Shooting Club, plus a lot more too numerous to mention here, but feel free to visit our website here:

http://www.safetyfirstshooting.org/

Regards, Hud
 
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