chinese designed firearms.
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Jim Watson
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i think the real spiffy guns are found only on your x box
jcwit
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With the huge selection of arms we have here in the U.S. and the freedoms we have regarding owning them, you're concerned about chinese arms? OOOOOOOOOOOOOOk
Sam1911
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If you want really spiffy guns, you can build pretty much any semi-automatic gun you'd like -- even things you can't import. There's a lot that goes into that, and building the entire gun from scratch (because you can't get parts from the original manufacturer) would be more than a hobbyist's endeavor. However, "Title I" semi-automatic rifles are perfectly legal to make for your own use.
If you want to badly enough, you can get your Federal Firearms License to be a manufacturer, and then pay the appropriate Special Occupational Tax to become a manufacturer of NFA items. Then you can build machine guns, short barreled rifles, destructive devices (depending on which license you've got), etc.
Members of the military (and certainly law enforcement officers) have very little say in what kinds of weapons they get to use. They don't get any special preferences in owning them, and can't usually even possess their issued arms outside of their official duties. So even joining the Army or Marines would get you no closer to playing with a QBZ-95. (But you'd get at least some time to familiarize yourself with the M-4/M-16 you like so much...)
If you want to badly enough, you can get your Federal Firearms License to be a manufacturer, and then pay the appropriate Special Occupational Tax to become a manufacturer of NFA items. Then you can build machine guns, short barreled rifles, destructive devices (depending on which license you've got), etc.
Members of the military (and certainly law enforcement officers) have very little say in what kinds of weapons they get to use. They don't get any special preferences in owning them, and can't usually even possess their issued arms outside of their official duties. So even joining the Army or Marines would get you no closer to playing with a QBZ-95. (But you'd get at least some time to familiarize yourself with the M-4/M-16 you like so much...)
Crazy business. I would love to manufacture weapons. Its been a goal for me who wouldnt want to be the next eugene stoner or michail kalashnakov their names will go down in history tho it would kinda suck knowing ur known for the death of people
Fishslayer
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Actually, LEO in Kalifornistan are exempt from our "not unsafe" approved handgun roster and the 10rd mag limit. They get to have all the spiffy stuff because they are the only ones professional enough, etc.
It's not unusual to see two almost identical semiautos in the consignment case. One will have "LEO only" on the tag. It could be something as simple as a blue finish vice stainless or vice verse.
A LEO can go online and have a Ruger SR1911 shipped to him behind the tofu curtain.
lloveless
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Sobel, You have high ideals. Unfortunately reality is not one of your strong points. I suggest you take a virtual tour of the world and their various gun laws, and the requirements for even living in that place. Life is what we make of it. You are fortunate to live in the "land flowing with milk and honey", where we live like Kings and Queens, and we have all the royal diseases to prove it. BLOOM WHERE YOU ARE PLANTED. Good luck. ll
Owen Sparks
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I have fired a variety of pre-ban Chinese AK's and SKS's as well as Norinco imported copies of 1911's and M-14's. I was not impressed. The metal was soft and the traditional ChiCom rifles are hopelesly inaccurate. Buy American.
Bobson
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My little brother was a Marine Corps infantryman from 2005-2009. He deployed to China in 2007, and participated in an extended, squad-based obstacle course (USMC vs Chinese Army, iirc) that included several shooting events, in which participants fired a combination of American and Chinese weapon systems. According to my brother, our Marines were appalled at the horrendously low levels of quality in most of the Chinese arms. My brother shared that feeling; apparently, it wasn't unique.
Just saying. Take that for what it's worth. I have no firsthand experience myself.
Just saying. Take that for what it's worth. I have no firsthand experience myself.
Ignition Override
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rcmodel: This has nothing to do with just firearms (you guys are warned), but some of you brought up the "Chinese military".
This is incidental, but back in the 80s, McDonnell Douglas Aircraft Inc. (now part of Boeing) converted an old Chinese turboprop aircraft factory over to production of MD-83 turbofans.
This was described in an article in (Smithsonian) "Air And Space" magazine. The standards became so high that after a while, the jets met our US FAA's level of certification.
The goal must have been to get a foot in the door of future growth in air travel there, but it had to have contributed a good bit to China's growing knowledge of western production methods, not just aircraft technology.
Now they have a fighter jet which looks like a copy of a recent US fighter. The Russians often copied the shapes and sizes.
As for actual speed, ceiling, maneuverability, radar range, fire control and missile radar perf. etc, those might be impressive.
Former McDonnell Douglas, thank you.
), but some of you brought up the "Chinese military".This is incidental, but back in the 80s, McDonnell Douglas Aircraft Inc. (now part of Boeing) converted an old Chinese turboprop aircraft factory over to production of MD-83 turbofans.
This was described in an article in (Smithsonian) "Air And Space" magazine. The standards became so high that after a while, the jets met our US FAA's level of certification.
The goal must have been to get a foot in the door of future growth in air travel there, but it had to have contributed a good bit to China's growing knowledge of western production methods, not just aircraft technology.
Now they have a fighter jet which looks like a copy of a recent US fighter. The Russians often copied the shapes and sizes.
As for actual speed, ceiling, maneuverability, radar range, fire control and missile radar perf. etc, those might be impressive.
Former McDonnell Douglas, thank you.
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Sam1911
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Surely, however, they don't get any special privileges with the NFA or import bans. Unless their department chooses to purchase a specific weapon, and chooses to issue it to them, and then chooses to give them an assignment where its use is called for (pretty unlikely with a QBZ-95), they get the same stuff that the regular non-sworn citizens (of most states) can have.
Sam1911
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Actually, that's not the case with the Norinco 1911s. Their steel is universally known to be quite hard, even challenging, to work on. They've been traditionally very good platforms for building custom 1911s, and well regarded by gunsmiths as solid basic models of that design.
There are lots of Chinese firearms being imported today. It is perfectly legal to import non-semiauto Chinese shotguns and rifles. The ban is only on semiautos, handguns, and ammo. The most popular coach guns are made in China and the H&R Pardner Pump shotgun is also made in China for example. The Stevens clone of the Ithaca 37 is also made in China.
Yea but they are meh nothing unique about them, im sure they can mass produce shotguns and such but you can get the same thing from an American company where as no American country makes their military style rifles. They have the semi auto ar why not make a semi auto qbz
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