CHL classes.. I don't think this guy had it all down...

[WinchesterAA]

One of my coworker's husbands had an altercation the other day when one of his childhood best friends tried to kill his other childhood bestfriend. Some about a pacemaker and an ASP to the chest, I tried my best to tune it out.

Anywho, Another coworker who's friends with this guy was gunna drive him out to get his CHL at a range in League City that was offering it for 74$. I was invited to go along as I have a few neat toys to play with and for that distance of a drive it might as well be worthwhile.

The guy backed out today saying he had to bail a nother friend out of jail and now he's broke so he can't go (my coworker and I are still on for Wednesday providing the roads aren't covered in ice as it appears it's gunna be.. It's dropped almost 30 degrees here in the last couple of hours!!)

Anyway, this guy owns a revolver but the CHL class only allows semi-autos. AFAICT this guy is somewhat of a moron as far as everything goes. I've met him a handful of times, he's pretty arrogant and rude, pretty dumb to top that off. His plan was to borrow my coworker's glock and give him his m44 "that his grandfather sniped 4 German generals with in WWII" and had my coworker believing that it was worth well over what his 500 somethin dollar glock is worth. I QUICKLY told him that I seriously doubt it as m44s are typically +/-100.

Ontop of that, he had it sounding like it'd be a "go to the range, mess around while he qualified, then shoot some more, and head home" but most of the courses I've seen are 8 or so hours long right? That's not a get in get out kinda thing..

furthermore, I HIGHLY doubt he's ever shot glock before, maybe not even a semi-auto due to his complete ignorance on the subject. Could be wrong, but revolver vs glock there's a lot of stuff different between the two.

Are there any accuracy/time requirements for CHL qualification? If so, could a guy with exceptionally limited firearms experience likely pull it off with a pistol he's never shot in his life? I kinda figured by the way they made it sound and the popularity of the CHL classes that he'd probably not even have a slot avalible to get into regardless of how long it took or how well he did, I just wanted to shoot at an outdoor range with my part of the tab (and gas!) paid, couldn't care less about that guy getting his CHL. He'd kinda make me nervous if he was armed anyway, guy just aint right in the head.

 

[Dr. Dickie]

...most of the courses I've seen are 8 or so hours long right?

From what I have seen, 4 hours is more like it.

Are there any accuracy/time requirements for CHL qualification?

Yes, but I have seen folks who have never shot a gun before qualify. Here in Florida, you shoot slow from about 10 yards (five shots) and then fast from 7 yards. LaToya Jackson might have trouble qualifying but most folks could do it with their eyes closed (and some look like they did!).

 

[Sistema1927]

League City? I am assuming that this is Texas.

If so, then check out the Texas DPS Website

Looks like more than messing around.

(Did you write this while sleep deprived? I had a tough time deciphering your post.)

 

[mec]

It's a minimum 10 hours and a Fat ten hours at that. Lunch breaks and other breaks are off the clock as is time spent driving from classroom to range if that applies.

Texas law and the expectation of instructors is that you can qualifiy for a revolver only license by qualifying with a revolver. The instructors have to pass the shooting test with both action types

The shooting demonstration is fifty rounds at various ranges and with(generous) time limits. Anybody who is familiar with the way their gun works and not overly afraid of it can pass the shooting test. It is not very smart to come to the test cold and with an unfamiliar gun but some people do it anyway and hit the target the prescribed number of times. Individuals who are arrogant, rude and dumb, have a lot of friends who need bailing out of jail have alcohol as an important part of their life, tend to back out of things at the last minute et cet. frequently are ineligible for the CHL or loose it with the first run in with the police. More often, they simply fail to follow through with the structured application and qualification process and never get the license in the first place.

 

[57Coastie]

WinchesterAA,

You say that the range you mention is located in “League City.” Since I am familiar with a range in League City, Texas, I might make a couple of observations about perhaps some misunderstandings. If your range is in a state other than Texas ignore my comments.

First, I am not familiar with a range permitting only the use of semi-automatic handguns for the demonstration of handgun proficiency. In Texas if you wish to carry a semi-automatic handgun you must complete your firing range test with a semi-automatic. If you do not wish to carry a semi-automatic you may test with a revolver. Some CHL instructors will recommend that if you have a choice you should consider using a semi-auto during your qualification even if you intend to carry a revolver after receiving your CHL, in case you change your mind later.

Secondly, in Texas one does not just “go down to the range and get a CHL.” In Texas the handgun proficiency course must include at least 10 hours and not more than 15 hours of instruction. This makes for a long day.

Lastly, you ask, “could a guy with exceptionally limited firearms experience likely pull it off with a pistol he's never shot in his life?” If one is an experienced shooter and knowledgeable about safety practices he could most likely fire a strange weapon in the course successfully. But if he or she is not experienced he or she should not even be permitted to attempt to qualify. Once again, this is my opinion. Furthermore, as you describe this individual, for example, “guy just ain’t right in the head,” he perhaps should not even be permitted to use a firearm at all. For your information the Texas DPS makes provision for reporting to them a person having psychological problems and who may be unfit to carry any kind of firearm. The DPS will investigate such a report.

Jim

 

[Spreadfire Arms]

Are there any accuracy/time requirements for CHL qualification?

Under 6.14 on this DPS webpage you can see the course of fire:

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/txchlaws.htm

(d) The proficiency demonstration course will be the same for both the instructors and license applications. The course of fire will be at distances of three, seven, and fifteen yards, for a total of fifty rounds.

(1) Twenty rounds will be fired from three yards, as follows:

(A) five rounds will be fired "One Shot Exercise"; two seconds allowed for each shot;

(B) ten rounds will be fired "Two Shot Exercise"; three seconds allowed for each two shots; and

(C) five rounds will be fired; ten seconds allowed for five shots.

(2) Twenty rounds will be fired from seven yards, fired in four five- shot strings as follows:

(A) the first five shots will be fired in ten seconds;

(B) the next five shots will be fired in two stages:

(i) two shots will be fired in four seconds; and

(ii) three shots will be fired in six seconds.

(C) the next five shots at seven yards will be fired "One Shot Exercise"; three seconds will be allowed for each shot; and

(D) the last five shots fired at the seven-yard line, the time will be fifteen seconds to shoot five rounds.

(3) Ten rounds will be fired from fifteen yards, fired in two five-shot strings as follows:

(A) the first five shots will be fired in two stages:

(i) two shots fired in six seconds; and

(ii) three shots fired in nine seconds.

(B) the last five shots will be fired in fifteen seconds.

im a CHL instructor but way out here in Austin, if i can be of help let me know.

His plan was to borrow my coworker's glock and give him his m44 "that his grandfather sniped 4 German generals with in WWII" and had my coworker believing that it was worth well over what his 500 somethin dollar glock is worth. I QUICKLY told him that I seriously doubt it as m44s are typically +/-100.

AIM Surplus has them listed at $70-75, and add for shipping.

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Russian_M44.html

 

[Wedge]

I'll add that the 3 ring is fairly huge and basically means you got a shot somewhere in a 24" circle. So getting a 150 is pretty much guarenteed and getting the passing 175 requires a few 4's thrown in there. It isn't a marksmanship shooting course, it pretty much makes sure that you know which end to point down range.

 

[larry_minn]

Opps I tried to use Italics for what was posted and add comments. Turned out as a mess. I will try to make it somewhat understandable.
The guy backed out today saying he had to bail a nother friend out of jail and now he's broke so he can't go ...His plan was to borrow my coworker's glock and give him his m44 "that his grandfather sniped 4 German generals with in WWII" and had my coworker believing that it was worth well over what his 500 somethin dollar glock is worth..

Larry_Minn response "That sounds fair (discounting the 4 generals) LOAN someone my Glock for a structured class for 10 hrs and he gives me a $80 gun. (with me there) Except for your last comment in bold below I would go for that. "

...He'd kinda make me nervous if he was armed anyway, guy just aint right in the head.


Me again "THAT is always a deal breaker for me. IF I am not comfortable with idea of THAT person with loaded firearm on them I will NOT assist them. (they can get permit/purchase by themselves its a free country but I will NOT make it any easier for them)
There is not law requireing me to spend my time/energy so I do it only for folks I can trust and that will NOT give anti gunners ammo."

Hope this makes some sense.

 

[WinchesterAA]

Wow, this thread got a lot of good replies.

Yeah, so it's like I thought, that guy prolly just heard that there's a range in League City (texas) that did CHL instruction and he figured it was as easy as showing up, paying, listening to some BS for a few minutes then going home..