CHL Shoots Robber(s)

[DFW1911]

One for the good guys.

02:18 PM CST on Thursday, December 18, 2008

BY BLANCA CANTÚ / The Dallas Morning News

A 19-year-old man was arrested today after police say he was involved in an attempted robbery on Wednesday night in Terrell that cost another suspected robber his life.

Ryan Scott Patterson, 19, of Terrell was charged with aggravated robbery, said Capt. Arley Sansom of the Terrell Police Department.

Terrell police were dispatched to Ben Gill Park in the 100 block of Lions Club Lane about 10:20 p.m. Wednesday after receiving a report of a possible robbery and shooting, Capt. Sansom said.

A man told police that after walking his dog at the park, four males attempted to rob him at gunpoint. The man, a licensed handgun carrier, pulled his weapon, shot one of them and shot at the black truck the men were using, Capt. Sansom said

Officers found Markee Lamar Johnson, 17, of Terrell on the ground with serious head injuries. He was taken to a nearby hospital and later transferred to Parkland Memorial Hospital in Dallas, where he was pronounced dead.

A gun that police believe belonged to Mr. Johnson was recovered at the scene, Capt. Sansom said. Police said it was stolen during a previous burglary in Terrell.

The truck, which belongs to a family member of one of the suspects, was found in the 300 block of South Park Street, Capt. Sansom said.

The intended robbery victim, who was not injured, is not facing any charges and his name is not being released. The case will be referred to a grand jury, Capt. Sansom said. Police are still looking for two other men.

Link to story:

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/d...s/wfaa081218_ac_terrellshooting.761175db.html

 

[Eagles6]

Score 1 for the good guys.

 

[Dave P]

So sorry, Markee ...

 

[KC0QGL]

4 on 1 and the gun evened the odds. Good story.

 

[Geno]

Live by the (gun); die by the (gun).

 

[Titan6]

These type incidents will continue to increase, hopefully level off and then decrease. At least in the free states they will.

 

[JImbothefiveth]

I assume we have 3 new members of the Brady campagin?

 

[withdrawn34]

Excellent, and I'm also glad they decided to respect the privacy of the victim.

Regardless, I'm sure it was a traumatizing experience for the victim; not only to be robbed, at gunpoint nonetheless, but also to have to have taken a man's life. I hope he recovers; but I'm glad that I'm reading that he has to recover from a traumatic experience rather than trying to recover from death by gunshot wound - which no one really does too well.

Also, not trying to be sexist, but I hope many of the women who I see jogging at 10 or 11 PM with their dogs don't think their little dog is going protect them against a man with a gun - let alone four men.

 

[deaconkharma]

3 more brady's

read my mind Jim

I also like the hiding the VICTIM'S Identity VERY MUCH
would be nice to lock the police report and make this a protection similar to rape cases. Shield his identity even after court judges righteous shoot. shield him from civil suit too by keeping his name confidential/ or redact it after judged "ok". This will keep his name out of court documents and FOI which can be used by antis and activist judges bringing civil cases to punish even righteous shoots, now and in the future under Obama and liberal appointees.
just a thought...

 

[Treo]

With the trend to retaliation happening in gang related crime today, I think it should be mandatory not to release the victims name

 

[deaconkharma]

treo

actually a really, really, good reason to redact name in case. Well said.

 

[Deacon Blues]

This may seem petty, but I have to take issue with labeling the man a victim. He is not a victim. He is a man who chose to take responsibility for his own safety, and so prepared, resisted evil instead of succumbing to it.

[/rant]

 

[withdrawn34]

Well, at least they didn't start the story out with "Shooting victim in park"

 

[louie19]

This goes against the theory of "don't draw on a drawn gun." I guess the guy figured he was going to get killed anyways and so he wanted to at least give himself a chance?

Reminds me of the Richard Davis / pizza delivery case as documented in The Ayoob Files, except it seems like this guy had a larger caliber.

I'm guessing these guys weren't expecting that their intended victim had a concealed handgun, so looks like a great case for having a CHL. It probably added a key element of surprise which saved the intended victim's life.

 

[Kind of Blued]

Drawing on a guy with a gun sure would be crazy. I can't imagine how much went through the fellow's head in those few short seconds before he decided to protect his life.

 

[Deanimator]

http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/3688

Newsflash: Armed robbery is dangerous... now including to the armed robber.

 

[JDoe]

Drawing on a guy with a gun sure would be crazy. I can't imagine how much went through the fellow's head in those few short seconds before he decided to protect his life.

Depends on your level of training. Check out this video of Jim Zubiena (ISPC champ pistol shooter) in Slow Motion on Miami Vice, with comments added. The important stuff starts around 1:50 into the video and is well worth watching.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q2Il86-38A

From a Miami Vice site

Jim Zubiena was a competitive shooter at the time and there is a scene in which his character has just completed an assassination on a target in a limo. Another bodyguard arrives on the scene and gets the drop on the hitman. Zubiena puts down the shotgun and is told to stand still by the bodyguard who has a revolver trained on him. The bodyguard makes the mistake of looking over at the limo for just a moment. Zubiena reaches down to lift his outer shirt, draws a .45 from the front of his pants with the other hand and shoots the bodyguard three times in what could NOT be over a second. The scene was not sped up and shows what is possible with proper practice and efficient drawstrokes. Zubiena was hired precisely because he was known for his speed and for his expertise with firearms.

Miami Vice- Season One, fourth episode ("Calderone's Return/ Hit List"). The episode features Jim Zubiena as an "Argentinian Hitman" who has come to Miami to take care of some business.

From the Internet Movie Database

He is one of the top marksmen of the United States. He already won several prestigious titles in shooting competitions. He is considered as one of the most qualified specialists of the .45 ACP Pistol. His abilities impressed so much the writer & director Michael Mann, that he decided to give him his first break as an actor in Miami Vice (in which Zubiena played an Argentinian hitman in the espisode Hit List) and in Manhunter (in which he also served as weapon handler).

 

[withdrawn34]

There aren't really any hard and fast rules in super dynamic situations like this. You just have to try to make a really fast decision that is the correct one.

 

[Thermactor]

He was just turning his life around too

 

[Kind of Blued]

I've seen that before JDoe. Still, regardless of the level of training, I don't think anybody could ever (in real life) draw on a guy with a gun without having some sort of "oh $^&%" thoughts go through one's head.

I know when I'm put under huge amounts of sudden stress, my mind seems to go a million miles in a fraction of a second before I act. This is what I was alluding to. I didn't say anything about the likelihood of successfully drawing on an armed assailant, or even comment on it to begin with.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

This may seem petty, but I have to take issue with labeling the man a victim. He is not a victim. He is a man who chose to take responsibility for his own safety, and so prepared, resisted evil instead of succumbing to it.

The shooter was a victim of the crime that was attempted against him. He may not have been victimized per se, but since he was acted against by the bad guys, he was a victim of the crime.

You can take responsibility for your actions/safety and still suffer.

Would you rather they call him the recipient of the crime?

 

[DFW1911]

I'm not exactly what the appropriate term for the CHL would be, but I might suggest that there are, in fact, times when being labeled a "victim" helps you from a legal standpoint.

I'd rather be called a victim than any number of phrases we all know the media loves to use against law-abiding citizens who take action to protect themselves.

Vigilante comes to mind. Semantics? Yes. The power of selected words or phrases, however, is undeniable. Accuracy is subordinate to the impression created in the mind of the message receiver.

Take care,
DFW1911

 

[IndianaBoy]

Some people get what they deserve......