Choosing My First .308 Semi

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Hi, guys. I'm looking at my options for a new .308 semi-automatic rifle and am looking for suggestions. My wife and I are expecting a baby in a few months and we're looking at buying a house, so the budget for guns is pretty tight right now. My wife's dad and brother swear by their FALs, but they've got the funds to buy a receiver and have the rest custom built. I've shot them and I like the operating system, since I already have an AK with a piston. I've also heard a lot of good things about HK-91s and PTRs, but have yet to see one in person, let alone shoot one. I like the roller system on these on principle, with fewer moving parts meaning potentially better reliability and accuracy (emphasis on the word 'potentially'). From what I understand, I'd be out a grand or more on one of these, the same as a nice FAL. Are there any alternatives that can be had for below $1,000, besides a Century CETME, and if so, where can I find them? Thanks.

James
 
Used m1 garand by springfield... 30-06 or 308... you might be able to get a new one... not sure on the msrp somewhere around a grand I've found ones in great condition for around 700-800 range... those will out shoot a FAL well a friend of mine owns a FAL and my friends garand can out shoot it any day with lousy bulk ammo... maybe if your not so set on a semi a pump remington patrol rifle??? Those are nice and some accept AR mags... what will it be used for??? Is also somthing to consider...
 
From what I understand, I'd be out a grand or more on one of these, the same as a nice FAL.

CDNN had PTR-91's for $899 for the longest, not sure if they still have any at that price.
 
Well, you can get a decent AR-10 for a little over a grand, but I suppose price is a really high priority, huh.
I don't really like FALs aesthetically. They're just mehhhh...
Whereas, in my opinion, the JLD PTR line of rifles is very, very sexy. That too, you can get all sorts of crazy improvements on it from Magpul, and every HK nut on the planet.

But you can't go wrong with a Saiga, either, and getting the basic rifle is cheap, very cheap, and if you want to convert it to look like a true sports-utility rifle, that's not much more, plus a few hours of your time.

Hmm... guess you're on your own for this one. :)

BTW: is buying a used gun out of the question? Also, have you taken ammunition costs into consideration? Because in the long run, depending on how much you shoot, that can take a real bite out of your wallet.
 
It depends really on listing and meeting your priorities for the rifle.

I've had:

Century FAL
HK-91
Saiga .308
DPMS LR-308

Here's my GENERALIZED take on them:


- Century FAL:

Not the best to judge a FAL by. If you get one, MAKE SURE you get an Imbel receiver one, and MAKE SURE that you have the "Widow's Peak" feed ramps rather than the "Unibrow" feed ramps.

I haven't checked lately, but you want to have one that uses Metric Magazines because these are typically more plentiful and cheaper.

Now... The FAL is a good firearm-- no question about it. Pluses are plentiful parts, adjustable gas system, reliability, good ergonomics (for everyone but me), cheap magazines.

If you are looking for a good general .308 MBR, a FAL is an excellent choice. If you are trying to squeeze the absolute last bit of accuracy out of a rifle, the FAL isn't the best choice.

If you want a FAL, I'd make an attempt to get a DSA over a Century. I never did get my Century running right.

- HK-91:

My first 308 MBR. Great rifle. Weights a ton. Some hate the ergonomics and the "flimsy" cocking tube. I could live with both. What I couldn't live with was the "cap gun" feeling trigger. However, there ARE trigger upgrades that you can do.

Besides the lack of perfect ergonomics, the main criticism of a HK-91/G3 is that the polygonal rifling is very hard on brass if you reload. Don't let this bother you too much since the HK-91 tends to throw brass about 35 feet and you are VERY unlikely to find it if you DID plan on reloading it.

The HK-91 can be a pretty accurate rifle. I found mine on par with the FAL. However, like the FAL, if you are working to squeeze accuracy out of it, there are better choices.

One advantage to the HK G3 is that magazines are cheap.

The best advantage of and HK: It's an HK! When you carry it the world becomes right. Women will love you. Men will fear you. Your Charkas will align. Your acid reflux will dissipate. Blue birds will circle your head and sing. Flowers will bloom where you walk. World peace will break out wherever you go.

Saiga 308:

A VERY reliable rifle. I can honestly say that I never had a single feed or firing issue out of mine. The accuracy is VERY accurate for an AK platform.
If you want benchrest accuracy, there are better choices.

The main pluses to the Saiga 308 is cost, reliability, accuracy for its platform. The main cricisms are high cost of magazines, fear of being able to convert it (its not hard), and dealing with 922 issues (not really hard to do.)


DPMS LR-308:

This is my current (and last) 308 platform. This IS the platform that you would want to use if you were trying to squeeze accuracy out of a semiautomatic 308.

One advantage to the LR-308 is its modularity. You can get it set up the way you want to.

Another advantage is that there are a number of configurations that you can order it in. Mine has a 24" fluted stainless steel barrel. You can get it from that down to 16" M4 barrels.

For accuracy, the AR platform is the best choice of the ones that I've looked at-- truly capable of sub-MOA groups. The AR flatop is a very easy optics mounting platform.

Criticisms of the LR-308 start with the higher cost of magazines. DPMS ones run about 39 dollars. C-Products ones go for around 25 dollars.

The next criticism is that they may take some work to get running reliably. However, AR's have fought the reliability battle for decades now. The AR-10 platform has been recently picked for US sniper service, so it can run reliable.

The next criticism is that they are heavy. Most 308s are going to be heavy, and this is no different. You can minimize the weight issues with shorter configurations. Mine has the longest barrel, and it weights 11.25 pounds unloaded and with no optics. However, since mine is so long, I have the advantage of using it as a spear if I can't hit what I am shooting at.


At any rate, there's my take on it.

You can't go wrong with any of the above if you are looking for a 308 MBR-- but some are better choices than others for specific roles. Some may be far more reliable than others for a general purpose rifle (Saiga 308 or FAL compared to a AR-10) And Some are bad choices due to the manufacturer-- Century may cause you grief in a FAL or a CETME-- or it may run fine... you just don't know.


I hope this helps.



-- John
 
You can often find a PTR-91 for under a grand. You might, in the future, wish to upgrade the trigger. If you mount a scope get the higher quality claw mounts and some form of cheek rest. Excellent rifle for the price.

Saiga's are nice too, and quite a bit cheaper. Get one, upgrade it if you wish, get 1,000 rds of Lithuanian Ball and you are still under a grand....
 
DSA FAL - great quality made rifles that are very rugged. :cool:

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Centerfire FAL's are cheaper but you risk getting a junk receiver from what I hear and it's a re-build as opposed to 'new'.
 
M14

Get yourself an M14 type rifle :cool:

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You can find a LNIB Chinese M14 for about $1K +/-





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Tight budget: CETME or Siaga .308.

That's the long and the short of it.

PTR-91s and DPMS's are quite a bit more $$, though good values. If you can swing it, run with one of these two.

When you get over $1k, there are a lot of other good choices.

We don't yet know how much the Kel-Tec RFB will cost, nor whether it's well-made, nor whether it will ever actually exist.
 
where can I score a DSA FAL for under a $1000? I see them listed well above $1000....:uhoh:
 
Thanks for the input. So far, I'm leaning towards the PTR-91. I just got my new CDNN catalogue and the prices have gone down. They now have the 16" carbine below $1,000. The only thing that gives me any qualms (other than how my sissy biceps will handle the supposed heft of these type rifles) is the plastic trigger group. Can these be easily/cheaply upgraded to the steel type that are on the HK's?

James
 
PTR-91 is a very rugged and reliable rifle. The only drawback is that it beats the crap out of your brass.
 
(QUOTE) "How many still use FALs?"
Last i looked, the Mexican Navy guys were still carrying FN's, though that's hardly an endorsement for FN.:rolleyes:
 
Save your money and buy that house. House prices are a steal right now, and not paying rent, and have the money for a down payment is more important than getting a 308 self loader.....
A nice used 870 shotgun will defend you and your family better for home defense.....for a lot less.....
 
The only thing that gives me any qualms (other than how my sissy biceps will handle the supposed heft of these type rifles) is the plastic trigger group. Can these be easily/cheaply upgraded to the steel type that are on the HK's?


The trigger group is metal. The lower half is the navy style plastic lower half, as in styled after the actual plastic German HK Navy G3 lowers.
 
I'm a Saiga-holic But for $525 I picked up:

http://www.raacfirearms.com/Saiga_308v21.htm

Thumbhole is great (RH ONLY). Trigger is already in Proper AK location. With 150gr Lithuanian I get sub 2" grps at 100yrds with optics mounted on a side rail mount.

$525 - Gun
$30 - Scope mount
$30 - rings
$XXX - Scope

Can't beat it really.

I'm a bit biased and Saigas do have shortcomings.... But you won't find a more accurate .308 Semi for under $600.

OH and the .308 v21 has an angled cut receiver so don't buy it if you want the classic AK Pgrip+stock. But the plus side is you get the T-Hole and good trigger w.o converting.
 
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