Chrono questions after first use...

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New ProChrono Digital (my first chrono) at an indoor range.

Here's the prep work:
After studying the use of chrono's, especially inside, I set my new chrono up in my garage using my BB gun as the test firearm. I purchased two 4 bulb LED battery powdered strip lights and taped them to the underside of the diffusers so that the light flooded the chrono sensors. I loaded the provided software on laptop and tested with BB gun and all worked well. I purchased a tripod dolly and made a positioning handle from a telescoping pool tool handle so I could position the chrono in my lane without the range having to go cold (this made the range management very happy).

Setup at the range:
I used a handgun rest on the lane bench for accuracy (didn't want to shoot the chrono on first date) and hung target at chrono level and ran it down to the 12 ft mark. I positioned chrono in from of target and cranked up laptop and got everything working.

What happened:
As soon as I got the chrono on line, it began registering rounds fired from two to four lanes away from me. It registered a reading for each round fired. The two range officers, both long time reloaders and chrono users, said they had never seen anything like it. Well great! It would register my rounds but was registering a couple of other shooters rounds at the same time. Most of the false reads were high but the still cluttered my sampling. So I decided to go ahead and shoot my test rounds and just visually look at the display so the whole trip would not be a waste.

What happened then:
I have loaded 45ACP rounds with Hornady 45160HP-XTP 230 gr rounds to an OAL of 1.230 and using Unique powder, I made test loads per the Hornady 8th edition of 5.2, 5.6, 5.9 and 6.2 grains. I did not load any at the max of 6.2 grains. Being still only a year and a half into reloading, I weight each powder load with a Lyman Gen 6 Digital dispensing scale and double check every five loads on a RCBS 10-10 beam scale. The 5.2 gr rounds where all used trying to get false reads cleared out of chrono. The 5.6 and 5.9 rounds seemed hot and registered on the chrono around 1240 fps. I fired one round of factory Winchester Personal Protection 230 gr hollow point ans it read about the same. These numbers are way high of the 800 fps shown in the manual. At this point I stopped and decided not to fire the 6.2 grain test rounds.

Questions:
as you can see, I have too many questions to ask, so I'll just solicit your ideas and suggestions to help me resolve my multiple problems with the chrono.

Thanks for you time, and let me know if more info is needed.

EDIT: I will try to contact Chrono MFG tomorrow as well.
 
Thanks for asking our advice.

Were you using your lights at the range? Perhaps the concussion of your neighbors' firing caused a flicker in the LEDs? I know this is unlikely, but the only thing I could think of.

About the high readings. (If your lights are OK) Some guns just have "faster" barrels than others. But it seems more likely that your chronograph is reading high, except for your mention that the rounds felt "hot". Did the Factory Winchester round feel the same?

Do you have a way to compare your chronograph with another?

Good luck

Lost Sheep
 
I has to be the crono.

No way no day can you get a 230 grain bullet moving 1,240 fps out of a .45 ACP pistol.

rc
 
Don't send it back without testing it outdoors.
Indoor ranges often use florescent lighting which is not suitable for chronographs. Florescent light flickers and plays havoc with the sensors.
If your only option is indoor shooting, I suggest you get the optional lighting system for this chrono, it's $65 (assuming it tests ok outside).
 
I was using the LED lights that I attached to the bottom of the diffusers. I chose those because the ProChrono LED attachment has to be powered by 110 vac and that is not available in the range area.

I'll have to find a place to try it outside...no ranges close by. I have a couple of country friends that may let me shoot on their land.

The factory ammo recoil felt about the same as my reload
 
It's maybe possible the chronograph is reading muzzle blast or powder speed.
How about encasing the unit in a cardboard box to insulated it from extraneous readings?
Just a thought.
 
Re-test with a sheet of construction paper over the entire top of the assembly and down the sides, extend it a foot beyond and a foot before shielding it from the flourescent lights. I'm betting lights.
 
A chrono will register any flashing light or pulsating light as something passing over the screens if that light can reach the screens regardless of the lighting you have over the screens. I have had my chrono give aberrant reading from far away lightning and flashing of sunlight off vehicles pulling into and out of the range parking lot as 2 examples. If your range has fluorescent lighting your reading will be affected by the pulsating nature of fluorescent lighting. The indoor range I shoot at has a bay where there is a bank of incandescent lights that can be turned on for chronograph use and all the other fluorescent lights can be turned off leaving the bay mostly dark except for 1 shooting station.

Readings produced by other shooters could be a slight shadow passing over the screens created by the smoke of a round being shot and the light source over their lane, reflection of light off the target as it moves when struck by a bullet, or any bright metal mounted to the target holder that creates a reflection or any other number of sources of a flashing light no matter how slight as the screens over the chrono are sensitive in my experience.
 
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People don't appreciate just how bright the muzzle flash of a firearm is indoors -- even in
what appears to be well lit spaces. Test it outdoors before sending it back.

(BTW: My zillion-dollar Oehler goes nuts when the range safety light comes on even in
broad daylight. It's the nature of the beast.)
 
Side lighting will affect readings. My chrony used to give me high readings in the early morning with the low sun reflecting off the bullets. I solved the problem by inserting a piece of black poster board up against the rods and taping it to the rods with masking tape. It can be made easily removable by first taping some 2' squares of postal tape to the board where the rods are, so the masking tape on top of it will pull off without tearing the board.

Bright muzzle blast indoors from a handgun in an adjacent lane, or a blast cloud from an adjacent lane that affects the indirect lighting might affect readings. Before returning the unit I think I would test it outside under favorable conditions.
 
Thanks to all for your feedback. I should hear from their tech support tomorrow. The light blocking sounds reasonable to me...I'll bounce that off of tech support unless he has a more direct answer.
 
Talked to service rep and I'm going to try their LED light bar. He says theirs is IR and that should make a difference.
 
I also use the CE P.C. Digital. Everything said above can cause the problems mentioned.

A Simple fix for indoors is to lay three sides of a cardboard box over the screens with one flap hanging down on both sides of the chrono. with your lights inside. Make it long enough to extend both a little beyond and in front of the chrono.

At major pistol matches, they use what's called a doghouse to do the same thing outdoors.
 
I tried & tried to make my Chrony F1 work at an indoor range. Battery LED lights, overhead incandescent floods, you name it. If there is any fluorescent light source in the area, mine goes haywire. Having all lights off except the perimeter lights which are CFLs still made it go batty.

It would frustrate me to no end because a lot of the benchrest guys set theirs up & they 'just worked' (different brands & I'm sure more than $99).

Anyway, I gave up on that & just use it outdoors & it works well enough. Yours may be the same.
 
5 times the cost and not on the market yet...

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made an appearance at the 2014 SHOT show. I want one, but not at $550 (current projected price), but how sweet it would be....

Count your blessings. I remember when chronographs had paper screens with little wires embedded in them. You had to go out and change the screens all the time. They were independent of lights, though.

Lost Sheep
 
I also use the CE P.C. Digital. Everything said above can cause the problems mentioned.

A Simple fix for indoors is to lay three sides of a cardboard box over the screens with one flap hanging down on both sides of the chrono. with your lights inside. Make it long enough to extend both a little beyond and in front of the chrono.

At major pistol matches, they use what's called a doghouse to do the same thing outdoors.
Three-sided box! A winner!
 
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