cimarron BP pistols

[TheBigAR2003]

Anybody had any experience with these?
Who makes these pistols?
They seem to be more expensive on the 'regular' bp pistols (1851s, 58s, 60s)
But cheaper than most on the bigger pistols (dragoons, walker)
I was checking prices from texas jacks.
Anybody with some info?

 

[black_powder_Rob]

I think that most of what they sell is Pietta and maybe some Uberti. I have not dealt with them before but have seen some of their guns in the LGS apart from having cimarron stamped over Pietta I couldn't tell a real difference. anybody else have any more info like if they do any thing to warrant the higher price tag?

 

[damoc]

the first BP revolver i ever purchased was a cimaron and i was very
disapointed with it.
loading lever catch fell of from first shot almost. gunsmithing required

sights were not only high which i guess is historically accurate
but also set far to the right.gunsmithing required

I have never been able to group shots at all only thing i can think
to be causing it is a poorly rifled barrel.not much to be done for that.

loading lever latch spring broke and bolt also needed replacement
and i could not purchase parts simply.

also forever had the screws wanting to loosen up and fall out

PS under the barrel it lists uberti which i guess means that uberti
had some hand in the manufacture

 

[junkman_01]

PS under the barrel it lists uberti which i guess means that uberti
had some hand in the manufacture

Uberti manufactured the ENTIRE gun as Cimmeron is only an importer/retailer.

To be fair, all the Italian manufacturers have improved their quality in recent years.

 

[dmjung]

Anybody had any experience with these?
Who makes these pistols?
They seem to be more expensive on the 'regular' bp pistols (1851s, 58s, 60s)
But cheaper than most on the bigger pistols (dragoons, walker)
I was checking prices from texas jacks.
Anybody with some info?

I was at Texas Jacks last weekend while in Fredericksburg and picked up a metric-load of stuff. The current Cimarron's are Uberti's. (If Cimarron ever handled Pietta, it was before I started paying attention.)

As near as I can tell, and others may know better/more, Cimarron seems to specialize in handling more finishes than what you can get from other Uberti sources. Other than that, I'm not aware of anything different in their Uberti's versus getting one from somewhere else.

In looking at my stash of boxes from Texas Jack's, two of them have a Cimarron label on the end (over the standard Uberti label.) Of those two boxes, one is a plain Uberti box and the other is a Cimarron box...same box, just different printing.

I have heard speculation that Cimarron may have different QC/QA arrangements with Uberti, but I don't think so. I suspect differences in prices are due to some of their finishes being more expensive than the plain blue/black you normally see everywhere else. ALSO, be aware that some of the prices quoted around the internet are for product they don't have on hand and may not be available at that price (or at all) if you try to order it.

I'm not sure of the official relationship between Texas Jack's and Cimarron (both in Fredericksburg), but it seems to be pretty close. I assumed one was a retail outlet for a wholesaler/importer with common or closely related owners, but I didn't ask. The guy I was buying from at TJ said he had worked at Cimarron for twenty-something years.

--David

 

[JN01]

I just bought a Cimarron '51 Navy. Out of the box it seems to be of better quality than BP revolvers I've had in the past. Perfectly timed, no burrs or rough spots. No billboards stamped all over it. Haven't had a chance to shoot it yet, but I am very pleased so far.

 

[black_powder_Rob]

dmjung I think you are right about them being Uberti, now that I think about it again and after a little searching I think it was a bp gun from Taylors that was the Pietta.

 

[dmjung]

dmjung I think you are right about them being Uberti, now that I think about it again and after a little searching I think it was a bp gun from Taylors that was the Pietta.

Taylors definitely sells both Uberti and Pietta. It's possible that Cimarron has sold stuff other than Uberti, but I haven't run across a sample yet. But I've only been paying attention to this stuff for a short while and there's a lot of history I don't know.

--David

 

[RaiderANV]

Cimmeron has an agreement with anyone(though most are Uberti) who make guns for them to have a lot tighter QC(though Uberti is pretty tight itself these last bunch of years). They spec out different finishes on their guns and the markings are closer to the originals. I order one of the Henry rifles 15 years ago and the quality was way better and the military markings were neat ta boot.

 

[PRM]

The only Cimarrons I have seen were made by Uberti. I have always heard that Cimarron got a special pick on theirs and that was the reason they were higher. I have two Uberti C&Bs that are about as good as they get. Both are on par with my 2nd Generation Colts.

I also have two Cimarron Uberti cartridge revolvers. Both required work right out of the box. One fairly minor and the other requiring a complete rebuild. I know you can get a bad gun from any manufacturer ~ but from my experience, I would go with the vendor that sells Uberti(s) the cheapest. I don't see Cimarron's quality justifying the extra cost.

 

[rusty from italy]

As near as I can tell, and others may know better/more, Cimarron seems to specialize in handling more finishes than what you can get from other Uberti sources. Other than that, I'm not aware of anything different in their Uberti's versus getting one from somewhere else.

I have a navy Richard mason conversion cal .38 special, buyed here in italy, ordered from Uberti, it's arrived at hte shop with "Cimarron" stamped on the barrel and no one Uberti marks, now i am sure that "cimarron" gets from Uberty factory and sells to you as it is
ciao
Rusty

 

[royal barnes]

The only difference between Cimarron and Uberti marked guns are just the markings and, in some cases, choice of final finishing. Cimarron uses markings that appear to be more historically correct but enough different to not be mistaken for an original. Cimarron Firearms and Texas Jacks are owned by the same man, Mike Harvey. His cowboy alias is Texas Jack or Texas Jack Omohundro.I don't remember which.

 

[ClemBert]

Yup, as others have said...Cimarron is only an importer/distributor and Texas Jack's is Cimarron's retail store front. I've only seen Uberti made Cimarron imported firearms. I have an 1858 Cimarron that is not marked as Cimarron. I think this has to do with it's specialty finish and thus low production run so it didn't make sense to mark just a handful of these firearms with "Cimarron".