Cimarron Firearms Co.

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Just keep in mind that "they" didn't do it, we did it to ourselves.

Hear, hear. I love it when all these folks come out of the woodwork whining and moaning about inferior products, yet never admit that we ALLOWED it to get that way.

In other news, what's that old saying? Oh yeah - "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth".

IMHO, you need to chill out a little bit and take comfort in the fact that you have family that cares about you enough to buy you a gun like that. Who the hell cares where it came from? It's a GIFT, be HAPPY that you got it. If it's not what you wanted, then get rid of it and get what you really want, but to complain like you are is kinda tacky.
 
By the way, you might want to stay out of Wal-mart if you don't want to buy chinese products.

Yeah, Wallly world sells alot of China made junk. They also sell alot of US-made products. You just have to look. But more importantly, wally world has never tried to indicate that they don't carry China made stuff.

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Cimarron Firearms Co. offers detailed copies of the firearms used in taming the frontier in Texas and the American West.

Well, aside from being told that they were, the only indication on thier website of origin is this: Cimarron keeps a small inventory of 19th century Colts on hand at the Uberti factory and acquires special tooling used by Uberti to produce some Cimarron models. written onthe same "about us" page. Since the 1878 coachgun is a replica of a COLT, and Since Uberti is under the same conglomerate of Italian gunmakers as Beretta, Franchi, and Benelli, I had no difficulty believing this. And there's also this: We can say with all honesty that there is no other firearm that is near equal in value, strength, reliability, or authentic detail as to the Cimarron Firearms Co. line of frontier firearms.

Will you also be boycotting the other 99% of businesses in the United States that use Chinese sourced materials in some manner in their products?

I will boycott the ones that would assert their product was made elsewhere and I find that it was, in fact, China. Of the other companies, I just won't buy the products that are labeled China. I went looking for a new cordless drill the other day. All except Dewalt (Mexico) and Porter-Cable (Taiwan) are China made. But the boxes are clearly labeled, so that I can avoid purchasing them. I really do go to great lengths that some cannot believe to buy US whenever possible, and non-chinese at all costs. All of my cars have a "1" for the first VIN digit. All of my tools are Mac, Matco, Snap-on, Craftsman that clearly say USA. And I know China controls the steel industry, so there's no way to avoid that aspect. But the steel is reworked and formed into a quality product right here.

When she bought the gun it's unlikely she knew what it really was, and it's possible she might be as upset as you are.

She didn't. She never had it out of the packaging, and the box says nothing of where it was made. She feels as I do, and would have told me to pick something else if she had seen that.

They are "selling us the rope to hang ourselves with".

Exactly. They are conquering this country by very strategic means that are seemingly harmless to most. Sort of like "hiding in plain sight". Control the commerce, control the nation. And unlike many of the Asian countries that manufacture goods we consume, China is NOT US-friendly.

IMHO, you need to chill out a little bit and take comfort in the fact that you have family that cares about you enough to buy you a gun like that. Who the hell cares where it came from? It's a GIFT, be HAPPY that you got it. If it's not what you wanted, then get rid of it and get what you really want, but to complain like you are is kinda tacky.

Three points to this end.

The first is that if you'd read more carefully, you'd have noticed that I said my sister and I do this exchange as a tradition between us. Not quite the same as some other members whos non-shooter families pull together to purchase one expensive gift.

The second is the misconception that we are bad people if we don't like a gift. I believe we are only wrong to not appreciate the thought, effort and expenditure. Liking and appreciating are not mutually inclusive.

Third, when I tell her, she'll probably be us unhappy about the situation as I am. But I will get her approval of trading it off before I do.
 
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Serious about my offer, man. For $50, you could take your wife out to the nicest restaurant you know

Where do you eat that $50 would be a good meal? Heavens, that would hardly buy the entree at most high end restaurants for one person...much less the sides, wine and...the other persons meal.
 
Cimarron keeps a small inventory of 19th century Colts on hand at the Uberti factory and acquires special tooling used by Uberti to produce some Cimarron models.

Right, like the part where it says SOME models?

We can say with all honesty that there is no other firearm that is near equal in value, strength, reliability, or authentic detail as to the Cimarron Firearms Co. line of frontier firearms.

This is called marketing. Smith does it, Colt does it, Noveske does it, Chevrolet does it, so does Kia and Hyundai, Sony and Radio Shack. Lorcin and Jennings probably did as well.

I will boycott the ones that would assert their product was made elsewhere and I find that it was, in fact, China.

I notice in the quote you put above you left out part of it.

Here is the entire thing, changes some when you read it all in context.

The Cimarron Single Action benchmark is not just a Colt® . Our benchmark is the 19th Century Colt® , the finest Colt® ever manufactured. Cimarron keeps a small inventory of 19th century Colts on hand at the Uberti factory and acquires special tooling used by Uberti to produce some Cimarron models

That sounds to me like they are speaking of the SAA only. Which is of course why the statement says "some models".

If I were shopping at that website I still see nothing that mentions the source of any of their firearms other than the Single Actions.

I know you're upset but you are accusing a company of dishonesty, and you offer no evidence of that whatsoever.
 
Chinese made stuff is often of very high quality. A lot of times it is made on machine made in the US and the employees are trained on running the machines by Americans.

For those who think the reason to make stuff in China is mostly the labor cost differential, I would point out that while that is a factor, often the amount of labor used to make stuff in China far exceeds what would be used here. Its not unusual for it to take 3 or 4 times as much semi-skilled labor to make something in China as in the US. That does not change the numbers all that much, but its not a one to one correlation.

There is also the transportation costs involved. It costs a fair amount of money to ship stuff from China to the US.

But really the big difference is that in the US, no one wants a factory built near them and the time it takes to get permission to build one makes it tough to do much of anything here. Its actually much quicker to get product flowing by contracting the manufacturing out to someone in China than it is to make it here because it is near impossible for anything to happen in a reasonable time frame here.

When you need to get something made, waiting 5 to 7 years for the first one to roll off the assembly line is not reasonable.
 
Right, like the part where it says SOME models?

More like the part where it says "at the Uberti Factories". That, and the answer I got. Perhaps my fault, though, for asking the leading question and not being specific when I said "you're guns are made by Uberti?" and got a simple "Yes." I took that to mean all of them, and I know how extensive Uberti's line-up is and, as I already said, that they are part of a conglomerate that includes some of the biggest shotgun-producing names in the world.

WRT their "about us" being specific to the SAA replicas, that may be, but that is not clearly stated and is the only indication they provide as to the whereabouts of their manufacturing company.

Other companies are simply more honest, and that's what I expected. When Remington was selling Russian made shotguns, they said so. When I called Armalite about the new AR-24, they told me in plain English that the guns were mae by Sarzilmas in Turkey. When I called Porter-Cable, they did not beat around the bush that their drills were taiwanese manufactured.
 
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ilbob:

There is some truth in what you said, but a major cost to manufacturers in the United States v. China (and many other countries) is the additional overhead costs imposed by local, state, and in particular - the federal governments.

Workplace regulations, worker benefits (such as health insurance, which may soon become mandatory), Social Security and other taxes... I could go on and on. Obviously when these government related costs are factored in it becomes understandable why so many companies outsource manufactured products and/or components.
 
"...As with all things China made..." You vote for Slick Willy too? Stuff gets made in Asia because it costs less to be made. $30 a week vs $30 per hour.
"...now that I know that..." How was the price? Welcome to the World economy.

Bingo! It's the greed of the American workers thinking they're worth the high wages for minimal output that push the jobs overseas. Winchester used to have nice stuff until the union put them out. How bout those Big-3 automakers too? Yup, gotta love American greed. :roll:
 
ilbob:

There is some truth in what you said, but a major cost to manufacturers in the United States v. China (and many other countries) is the additional overhead costs imposed by local, state, and in particular - the federal governments.

Workplace regulations, worker benefits (such as health insurance, which may soon become mandatory), Social Security and other taxes... I could go on and on. Obviously when these government related costs are factored in it becomes understandable why so many companies outsource manufactured products and/or components.
That is also true. But it goes hand in glove with the problem of being able to get going in a reasonable time frame.

At least in China you can bribe the right people quickly and get past most of the nonsense. here you have to bribe or beg your way past hundreds of independent agencies.
 
The coachgun that Cimarron sells is made in China by the same company that made the TTN model. It's also imported by EMF. While you might consider this junk, the cowboy action shooters consider it the best external hammer coachgun on the market.
 
First, many Chinese products are of extremely high quality. That being said, neither the product nor the price is really a factor.

The simple truth is that the Chinese own us, by virtue of having bought all our junk bonds. They are the ones who will buy more worthless paper to pay for all the "initiatives" and "bailouts" we are now engaged in. In return, our government gave them unlimited access to U.S. markets and promised (very quietly) to suppress or put out of business any American company that is competitive with them. That is why there have been so many "anti-trust" and "illegal trading" cases brought against successful U.S. companies. And if any American workers want to take lower salaries to make them competitive, the unions, who are in on the deal, will crack down on them.

But don't put the full blame on Obama; this has been going on for decades now, ever since Congress and the several presidents of both parties decided to spend money we have to borrow and can never pay back. The U.S. is in a big hole and there is no way we will ever get out. Not a nice thought, but there it is, and you will see a lot more "Made in China" tags.

Jim
 
mach iv - i share your extreme displeasure...

my new leupold laser range finder says 'made in china' on it... i am so angry about that!

my danner boots, the ones that blew out on day 1 of hunt 1, said 'made in china' on them...

i share your anger.
 
It's a gift, given with love.

Keep the gun.


Keep the sister.





Do you think your father really cared about the country of origin for every gift you ever gave him when you were a child?
He loved them all, because you gave them to him. Regardless of where it was made.
Be a good brother and adore your gift. Those of us who lost family members are jealous that you have it.
 
Well, I told my sister about this whole ordeal, and she was as upset as I.

However, thanks to a gracious friend who owns a gunshop, I am now a proud owner of a .38 caliber Uberti model 1871 Richards Mason conversion replica. He was good enough to exchange the shotgun +$50 for this finely crafted Italian handgun. As for the Shotgun, I'm sure he'll have no problem reselling it for $450-ish to someone who is less concerned with country of origin.

Uberti1871.jpg

A happy ending, and when I can afford it, I'll buy either an Original American coachgun or the CZ exposed hammer model.
 
For the record, Cimarron has many manufacturers. I saw their whole like End of The Trail this year. They have Pedersolis, the chinese Norinco stuff, and they are one of the companies carrying the new mini Sharps from Chiappa, as well as that new 87 lever shotgun that Chiappa has. They also have great customer support and take care of their customers. I bought a consecutive pair of those open tops in .44 colt and they are boring the cylinders for me and reblueing them so I can shoot .44 special, and so my black powder loads shoot good, no charge. -ph@ga
 
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