City of Denver sues State of Colorado

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And so the legal challenge begins...
(Oh - there is a poll too- VOTE!)
The DPO online story
Article Published: Saturday, May 24, 2003 - 12:00:00 AM MST
Denver suit battles state on gun laws
City: Lawmakers violated right to regulate firearms
By Howard Pankratz, Denver Post Legal Affairs Writer
Denver sued the state of Colorado and Gov. Bill Owens on Friday, claiming that sweeping new gun legislation unconstitutionally pre-empts many of Denver's city firearms ordinances designed to protect public safety.

Denver claims that as a home-rule city it has the right to enact and enforce its own gun ordinances and regulations without interference from the state.

City officials ask that a judge declare Denver's gun regulations valid and the two new laws, recently passed by the state legislature, unconstitutional because they allegedly violate the Colorado Constitution's home-rule provisions.

The lawsuit, filed in Denver District Court, was widely supported by the Metro Mayors Caucus, which includes the mayors of 31 cities in the Denver area.

"The last legislative session saw unprecedented attacks on the rights of local elected officials to decide what is best for their communities," Littleton Mayor Susan Thornton said Friday. "What makes state legislators think they know the needs and concerns of local residents better than those of us who are in direct touch with our own citizens on a daily basis?"

Many of the metro-area mayors indicated that their cities may join Denver in the court fight if their input is necessary.

Colorado Attorney General Ken Salazar said Friday that he will defend the governor and the state against the suit.

"We have received the complaint filed by the city and county of Denver challenging the constitutionality of Senate Bill 24, concerning the carrying of concealed weapons, and Senate Bill 25, concerning the limitation on the authority of local governments to regulate firearms. We believe the laws are constitutional and have assembled a team of lawyers in my office to defend them," Salazar said.

Among other things, Denver claims that it has the right to determine how gun permits can be issued and where a permit holder can take a gun.

As a result, it takes issue with SB 24.

The bill requires county authorities to give concealed-carry permits to citizens who are at least 21 years old and pass a criminal background check and a handgun training course. The law prohibits concealed weapons in elementary and secondary schools.

But the mayors said Friday that the law doesn't provide enough protection.

Left out are other sensitive locations such as parks, recreation centers, libraries and medical clinics, the mayors claim.

"Senate Bill 24 creates great uncertainty about cities' ability to regulate concealed weapons in public places," Mayor Ken Fellman of Arvada said. "It threatens the safety of families and children. This is a very real safety issue, and is extremely worrisome."

The mayors claim that the second bill - SB 25 - limits cities' ability to create safe public spaces by taking away their ability to regulate the open carrying of firearms in buildings and other specific areas unless those buildings and areas have been posted with signs.

"I have a hard time believing that liberalizing the laws governing the open carry of weapons in urban areas is a step toward a safer society," Denver Mayor Wellington Webb said. "Denver cannot and will not give up the right to preserve its authority to regulate how and where firearms may be carried within the city."

The lawsuit claims that passage of the new statewide gun laws has "caused tangible detriment to Denver's law enforcement efforts by placing police and other Denver officials in a position of uncertainty and paralysis" as to the enforcement of Denver's laws.

The lawsuit said the new laws place Denver officers and residents in a no-win situation, leaving them to wonder what laws should be observed.
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Can't wait for these people to lose this case.
Maybe we should make them pay for the legal costs to the city and state. That would be justice - lord knows the city of Denver can't afford the cost of this litigation.:barf:

Poll results as of 4:57pm 5/24/03
GUN LAWS
Should cities be able to have tougher gun laws than the state?
Total Votes = 305
Yes. (62) 20%
No. (226) 74%
Feds should control guns. (13) 4%
No opinion. (4) 1%
Looks like we're up by quite a bit... guess they DON'T "know the needs and concerns of local residents"
 
"The last legislative session saw unprecedented attacks on the rights of local elected officials to decide what is best for their communities"...

I'm surprised it took the leftist extremists so long to file this suit.

From what I've read on this site about Colorado's home rule laws, the suit is groundless, but of course, all it takes is one unprincipled leftist extremist judge.
 
Colorado will be a better place in the event that Denver loses. In more ways than just firearms legislation. Fingers crossed....
 
"The last legislative session saw unprecedented attacks on the rights of local elected officials to decide what is best for their communities," Littleton Mayor Susan Thornton said Friday. "What makes state legislators think they know the needs and concerns of local residents better than those of us who are in direct touch with our own citizens on a daily basis?"

Good thing, I guess, that your local critters are in contact with you daily, I guess. I prefer a bit more distance, myself...


So, now we have the government suing the government, taxpayers get to pay both sides, and there's some prospect of the people actually winning something?

Isn't there a way both sides could lose?

And the people walk free?
 
Littleton Mayor Susan Thornton said Friday. "What makes state legislators think they know the needs and concerns of local residents better than those of us who are in direct touch with our own citizens on a daily basis?"
Because they were elected by the people. *That's* how they know. She speaks as though the legislators were appointed by some external power.
 
I have a hard time believing that liberalizing the laws governing the open carry of weapons in urban areas is a step toward a safer society," Denver Mayor Wellington Webb said

Not a very bright guy, is he?
 
But the mayors said Friday that the law doesn't provide enough protection.

Left out are other sensitive locations such as parks, recreation centers, libraries and medical clinics, the mayors claim.

Ya, all the places you might want to actually carry!

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Home rule city?

I have asked before, but haven't gotten a real response: Exactly where is the legal definition of "home rule city?" Is Denver the only one?
 
not exactly related to the topic, but I have always felt that the cities/states that filed against gun manufacturers should have a fitting "reward" for their efforts to keep guns out of their state/city. All the gun manufacturers need to join together and refuse to sell to that city /state gervernmental body. I.E. "Own mayor and chief of police....from somewhere USA. I see that in you filed a few years back a lawsuit about how we were increasing crime/deathrates/taxes/increased abandoned cats/etc. Obviously you feel that guns are evile and then we must also be at least manufacturers of evil. We shall not 'dirty' your city with our evil guns. Maybe you should call Louisville Slugger and issue bats to your officers. Their number is ....
 
Too ballsy. Ultimately, the only market for guns WILL be LEO. Civilian sales are ultimately a dead end.
 
It would seem that the next step in this debate would be the repeal of the Home Rule provisions of the State’s Constitution. Funny how they claim that they are immune from the provisions of the Constitution in one breath; and claim that the Constitution protects their right to deny it affects them in the next.
 
Paging Jim March.....:D
Monte Harrison:
I have asked before, but haven't gotten a real response: Exactly where is the legal definition of "home rule city?" Is Denver the only one?
No - Denver is not the only one....
Read ALL of this thread and check the links too....
I cleared things up a bit for me... you know those legalese terms they make my noggin throb.
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/
Also - do a search on google or a metasearch engine with the words "home rule city" you'd be suprised.
 
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