Civil unrest?

[dustind]

Old Dog: When you emphasize the word "all,"and your referencing of Katrina pretty much shows that you know you are wrong on the actual idea of what you are saying. You (and everyone else) know that law enforcement will confiscate firearms with the military and or national guard provitiding security (as in N.O.) if it ever comes down to it. How many would not confiscate a class 3 firearm or sound suppressor today?

Back on topic: Everyone is right about the time to fight is now and the best way to do it is be politically active. By politically active I mean 20+ (emphasise on plus) hours a month. I used to do 60+, but I am now down to almost zero. I hope to get back to 40+ pretty soon.

Having plans and sharing ideas on how to resist could help ensure we never have to use them. No one wants to go up against an armed and prepared population. Having information readibly accessible would help if things went south in a hurry, and it would help people defend themselves if they get singled out. www.roguesci.org and a few other places have lots of chemistry, explosive, privacy, and forensic information that could be useful should it ever come down to a shooting war.

As for the soap box/ballot box vs cartrige box side tract. Doing one instead of the other is a false dilemma, because you can easily do both. Telling people to "write your reps" whenever someone thinks about what we should do if we loose or things take a nasty turn is a bad reflex because it often gets in the way of preparing for the future. I really think those of us who think it could happen should hammer out some solid plans and information to help win, resist, or rebuild.

As for where to spend money, GOA or JPFO are my favorite.

 

[HiroProX]

tellner, as far as I'm concerned, they're just as bad as Shrub.

As for sedition, I entertain the notion on average about 3-7 times a day. And I think any sane person would do likewise. Nothing wrong with it, as sedition is the american national pasttime.

 

[longeyes]

Those of like mind should get used to being in the permanent minority. Most people aren't and never were for liberty as we understand it around here. The issue is how--and perhaps, more to the point, where--to put the moat around a free nation. There is no future in dreaming of a unified America that is going to see the light, especially given the current political, social, cultural, and especially demographic trends. That means expulsion, secession, autonomy, maybe migration--those are the magic words for those who care about preserving the legacy of the Founding Fathers. Find a place to take your stand and gather the like-minded around you.

It's true, it doesn't matter who started it because millions either supported it or stood by and watched it happen. That process isn't going to change; if anything it will get worse. Forget them, focus on "us."

 

[thexrayboy]

The country is slowly turning into a police state in some regards. Yet it is also turning freer in others. For example CCW is being passed all over the nation.

The expansion of CCW is a good thing, however what good is a permit to carry a concealed weapon if you cannot legally own a weapon? Makes our victories in the area of CCW moot.

 

[ConstitutionCowboy]

With All The Talk Of Resisting Confiscation,...

...keep in mind that those sent out to the task of actually taking your arms from you, though just as complicit as those who would send them, those who would send them must be held more accountable. Those who would send them do so with the power of the paycheck held over their head, and the authority to hold them in contempt of direct orders.

Above all, those who would pass such legislation, approve it, or not strike it down when its constitutionality is challenged must be held the most accountable. Though duly elected or appointed to office, they are bound by oath or affirmation to support the Constitution. Separated by a layer or two of bureaucracy - from us and the officers of the law charged with the execution of their unjust and unconstitutional orders mandated by the law they create - should provide them no more insulation from the consequences of their unconstitutional actions than the Kevlar and other armor worn by officers on your front stoop who would demand the surrender of your arms. After all, it is as if they themselves are the ones standing on your stoop, armed to the teeth, demanding you surrender your arms.

No order of confiscation is going to come to pass without first becoming law. Just because those passing, approving, and upholding such law may have been elected by a like-minded majority in the electorate does not give them license or leave to legislate in defiance of the Constitution. There are provisions in Article V in the Constitution to amend it to what ever end they so desire, but not without ratification by a super majority of the states, by the approval of the legislatures of, or conventions in, the several states so ratifying. The difficulty of that process is no excuse for circumventing it.

The bottom line is that any resistive action by law abiding citizens to a confiscation of arms is nothing more than the consequences of an unconstitutional act or acts. The Supreme Law of the Land is first broken by the passage of such an act, and the resistance by law abiding citizens to such an unconstitutional act is justifiable, prudent, and moral. Disarmed citizens are vulnerable to the dangers of subjugation, genocide, servitude, despotism, and tyranny(among others). Removing the means to fend off subjugation, genocide, servitude, despotism, and tyranny is just as crippling to freedom as the outright implementation of those things would be, for it opens the door to make those things possible.

Woody

"I swear to protect the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, but I am not trigger-happy. I am merely prepared and determined in its defense. It's a comfortable place to be. I don't suffer doubt." B.E.Wood

 

[xd9fan]

Not so fast. Boomers are "government servants" ?
I realize you weren't around in the '60s, but we're the ones who started all of this railing against the government.

Oh please For all the hippie love from the "me generation" boomers....For all the its about "liberty and freedom man"
The baby boom generation sure has fully embraced the coersive power of the federal Govt to force others into their eutopia. All for "fairness" "for the children" and "for your security". (reguardless of party)

The breakdown of the family did not start with the greatest generation.
The breakdown of america traditions did not start with the greatest generation.
The huge, huge surge of using the federal Govt as a social "equality" engineering tool did not start with the greatest generation.

Boomers are spending borrowed federal money faster than any generation ever.
Give me the FREEDOM, the DIGINTY to break away from the social security system and invest MY money the way I want.


mikeburk101 and the other Bloomers.....if you love your children...start with that.
then maybe this X'er will believe you stood for something...in the 60's

I will hold my breath to see if the X'ers can remove the damage done.

 

[xd9fan]

The expansion of CCW is a good thing, however what good is a permit to carry a concealed weapon if you cannot legally own a weapon? Makes our victories in the area of CCW moot.

My fear as well.
Do you have a Right if the state defines it by paper/permit?
What "the state" givith "the state" takith away.