Class 3 subguns and rifles....Your help needed!

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phantomak47

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I am thinking about getting a class 3 rifle or subgun, but I have no idea of where to start. I would like to buy something around 4k or cheaper, which I know limits my options.

I dont want a piece of junk but I dont want to break the bank.

here are some selections I was thinking about. ANY INPUT Would be helpful

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First read FAQ ON NATIONAL FIREARMS ACT WEAPONS for a good explanation of the process. It is basically just submitting the completed application forms, photos, fingerprints and $200. You will need the CLEO aka "Chief Law Enforcement Officer" signature to complete the application, so you need to make sure he will sign for you. No signature, no gun.

Next is to find a local dealer to handle the transfer. About the only thing still in the $4k range are Mac-10/11s and Stens. Uzis are now over $6k.
 
A Sten would be a very nice little subgun to nab. Go for that instead of a Mac - I've heard lots of stories about them being crappy and the only one I've seen shot full auto jammed liek hell.
 
Look at subguns.com and sturmgewehr.com for adds.
Keep in mind that you cannot get one that says "Pre May" or "Post May". Those are not transferable to individuals.

Under $4k limits you considerably. You may be able to find an M2 carbine conversion for that. Even Reisings are over that now. Otherwise, you're pretty much limited to Stens and Macs.

If you can get up to $5-6k, then your options will open up a lot more.
 
Reisings can still be found for less than $4,000.
They are World War II era guns, have wooden stocks, and are fun to shoot.
Since the AWB is dead magazines for the Reising are less expensive and more available than they used to be.

I saw a couple of ads recently for Ingram M6s. Two were around $4,400. One was advertised for $3,800. Mags for M6s were harder to find than Reising mags, but Recon Ordnance in Wisconsin is selling new manufactured ones now.

Shotgun News and Small Arms Review have ads for FA stuff. Reading thos mags and the two sites mentioned above will give you an idea of where the FA market is going.
 
Buying a full auto gun is expensive: I am sure you already figured that out. Since you are willing to spend that kind of money, I strongly advise you to keep saving and buy something that is somewhat practical and not just the cheapest thing you can afford right now. Your enjoyment will be increased many fold (at least mine would be). To me, there is no point in firing a gun unless you are going to try and hit something. Just making noise doesn't do anything for me. Obviously this means I want usable sights, I want a stock that does everything a stock is supposed to do etc.
There have been numerous threads on this board about what you have to do to buy a full auto gun. It is very easy as long as it is legal where you live and the CLEO is willing to sign.
 
Do you want something full auto or just any Class III rifle will do?


An SBR might be the way to go if you just want something a little more "evil" then your run of the mill AR-15.

Or for something even more "evil", as suppressor for a gun you already have.


I understand that in some places its easier to get your CLEO to sign off on full auto stuff if you have already had him sign off on something less "evil" in the past (like a suppressed .22 rifle)
 
444 said:
Buying a full auto gun is expensive: I am sure you already figured that out.

I started with a budget of $5000, then got "flexible" so I could buy an Uzi I found (with 444's help) for $5500. Now with the supressor I ordered, the $400 in taxes I paid and the drum I'm getting I'm almost at $7k invested for a gun I haven't shot yet. That reminds me - gotta order more stuff from Vector tomorrow. :D

Woohoo - 1000th post! :evil:
 
A little over a year ago I bought my first subgun, a Vector Uzi with which I am very happy. In the preceeding 12-15 years I'd been shooting a friend's M11/9 once or twice annually. Whenever I shot the M11/9, I had fun but thought to myself, "It's just a bullet hose." This kept me from getting a MAC-type of my own and led me to going for the more expensive and what I thought was the "more practical" Uzi.

With more experience in shooting these guns, however, I think I may have bought more gun than I needed. The greater part of what I really get out of shooting full auto is the simple thrill of watching a dirt bank churn up and the energetic rattle of the firearm. The M11/9 can supply all of that anyone can ask for. Yes, the Uzi is more controllable and flexible in its applications, but I can't honestly say that I'll ever take advantage of all that can be done with the weapon. For recreational shooting, not competition, an unmodified M11/9 or other MAC subgun is probably plenty.

I'm keeping the Uzi and I wouldn't try to argue against anyone buying whatever automatic they think is best regardless of price. I'm only offering my case because it is easy to find yourself ratcheting upward in price ranges on these things, perhaps spending more than necessary if you will only be an casual shooter of stumps, cardboard, and such.
 
I could buy an Uzi I found (with 444's help) for $5500

Where are you finding Uzis for $5,500?

My local Class III dealer told me they were going for $7,500 now.
 
Not a bad price.
Notice the reference to transferring the Sten on a Form 3? That's the form for tax-exempt transfers. Looks like it is a dealer sample. It is a pretty good price if it can be transferred on a Form 4.
 
It's not a dealer sample. I know, as it was the gun I had at one point purchased. Got a refund later and bought an FNC sear instead.
 
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