Clip Magazine?
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jcwit
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My clips feed my Garand, my Italian Carcano, and my Austrian/Steyr.
Absolutly!
230RN
2A was "political" when it was first adopted.
Eric M is probably correct.
I recall that even quite recently at least one of the gun manufacturers (it may have been Marlin) was referring to detachible box magazines for their firearms as "clips" in their ads.
And it was only relatively recently that the formal (and correct) distinction between "clips" and "magazines" was made and came into relatively wide use by those who wished to be technically correct:
A "clip" is a device holding a number of cartridges, with which the "magazine" of a firearm may be charged.
Examples are the ordinary stripper clips which charged the magazines of many military rifles such as the Mauser series like the 98, and the "en bloc" clip of the M1 Garand rifle, where the whole clip is inserted into the magazine and ejected when the last round is fired. (I believe the Carcano-Mannlicher rifles also had this "en bloc" system of loading, and the Broomhandle Mauser (C96?) handgun originally had a non-detachable magazine loaded with stripper clips, butthey changed that to detachible magazines soon after.))
The magazine is the container or "space in the gun" which holds the cartridges ready to be fired, whether this be tubular or otherwise.
Magazines may be fixed or detachible, as in the fixed magazine of the Garand or the detachable ones of many firearms, including all modern aemiautomatic handguns. And also, of course, the AR and AK series with which we are all familiar. The M1 Carbine had stripper clips to load its detachable magazine as well.
However, Marlin (if it was indeed Marlin) probably got tired of all the correspondence relating to the incorrect usage of the term "clip" in their ads, and as a concession to many old-timers who still confuse "clip" with "magazine," decided to call it both in their ads.
I must confess that as an old-timer, I still, out of habit, call a magazine a clip every once in a while, and usually receive ten lashes for the understandable error.
So now, instead of answering letters pointing out the correct usage of the two separate terms, they'll have to answer a slew of letters inquiring as to why they are using the term clip magazine.
Unintended consequences.
Terry, 230RN
ETA jcwit beat me to it while I was composing this post.
I recall that even quite recently at least one of the gun manufacturers (it may have been Marlin) was referring to detachible box magazines for their firearms as "clips" in their ads.
And it was only relatively recently that the formal (and correct) distinction between "clips" and "magazines" was made and came into relatively wide use by those who wished to be technically correct:
A "clip" is a device holding a number of cartridges, with which the "magazine" of a firearm may be charged.
Examples are the ordinary stripper clips which charged the magazines of many military rifles such as the Mauser series like the 98, and the "en bloc" clip of the M1 Garand rifle, where the whole clip is inserted into the magazine and ejected when the last round is fired. (I believe the Carcano-Mannlicher rifles also had this "en bloc" system of loading, and the Broomhandle Mauser (C96?) handgun originally had a non-detachable magazine loaded with stripper clips, butthey changed that to detachible magazines soon after.))
The magazine is the container or "space in the gun" which holds the cartridges ready to be fired, whether this be tubular or otherwise.
Magazines may be fixed or detachible, as in the fixed magazine of the Garand or the detachable ones of many firearms, including all modern aemiautomatic handguns. And also, of course, the AR and AK series with which we are all familiar. The M1 Carbine had stripper clips to load its detachable magazine as well.
However, Marlin (if it was indeed Marlin) probably got tired of all the correspondence relating to the incorrect usage of the term "clip" in their ads, and as a concession to many old-timers who still confuse "clip" with "magazine," decided to call it both in their ads.
I must confess that as an old-timer, I still, out of habit, call a magazine a clip every once in a while, and usually receive ten lashes for the understandable error.
So now, instead of answering letters pointing out the correct usage of the two separate terms, they'll have to answer a slew of letters inquiring as to why they are using the term clip magazine.
Unintended consequences.
Terry, 230RN
ETA jcwit beat me to it while I was composing this post.
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Carl N. Brown
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yep, a clip magazine is like a pizza pie, or the critter in the old sci fi movie "The Giant Behemoth".
Actually though in casual sporting use in the 1950s and 1960s, detachable box magazines were often called "clips", tube magazines were called "tube magazines", and actual clips (like the en bloc clips for M1 Garand or M91 Carcano and stripper clips for Mausers) required explaining.
Marlin is just reflecting old wrong but common usage.
added: OH, 23ORN beat me to it.
Ordering a 7 round clip for a Marlin Model 70 will always get you a detachable box magazine. But ordering .30 M1 Carbine clips will probably get you stripper clips, not magazines.
Actually though in casual sporting use in the 1950s and 1960s, detachable box magazines were often called "clips", tube magazines were called "tube magazines", and actual clips (like the en bloc clips for M1 Garand or M91 Carcano and stripper clips for Mausers) required explaining.
Marlin is just reflecting old wrong but common usage.
added: OH, 23ORN beat me to it.
Ordering a 7 round clip for a Marlin Model 70 will always get you a detachable box magazine. But ordering .30 M1 Carbine clips will probably get you stripper clips, not magazines.
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GURU1911
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Thanks buck !!!!
Maybe your photo posting will finally settle this issue. Almost 50 years ago, my ww2 vet daddy, taught me the difference from the git-go. Then a few days ago, i am at walmart & noticed several remington factory "ammo retention devices" blister packed & hanging on a rack---these obviously were intended for use in their brand of pump / auto rifles.
Upon closer inspection, i saw printed " remington clip magazines" & i nearly wet my pants with laughter !!! No wonder new shooters are so messed up with the issue of correct parts terminology these days.
In your photo, i especially liked the magazine next to the paper clip---very funny atta-boy bro buck.
Maybe your photo posting will finally settle this issue. Almost 50 years ago, my ww2 vet daddy, taught me the difference from the git-go. Then a few days ago, i am at walmart & noticed several remington factory "ammo retention devices" blister packed & hanging on a rack---these obviously were intended for use in their brand of pump / auto rifles.
Upon closer inspection, i saw printed " remington clip magazines" & i nearly wet my pants with laughter !!! No wonder new shooters are so messed up with the issue of correct parts terminology these days.
In your photo, i especially liked the magazine next to the paper clip---very funny atta-boy bro buck.
jcwit
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Yes, but your final outcome was that you knew what the manufacturer was talking about as I believe everyone else here did to.
Ah come on, I haven't had that problem for years and I even now take pill so I can p.
Carl N. Brown
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It's actually long common civilian (mis)usage: since most civilians don't own clip fed firearms, "clip" implies detachable box magazine (like 1911 .45 or M1 carbine), to civilians "magazine" implies a non-detachable magazine (like a Mauser 98 box or Winchester 94 tube).
To the military it is a big deal, for an emergency airdrop of ammo preloaded in magazines is different from an airdrop of ammo preloaded in clips.
But go back several decades in factory ads, magazines, etc.: "clip" is a common misnomer for "detachable magazine". I believe it is because it is one word, one syllable, four letters versus two words, six syllables, eighteen letters and a spaceband.
To the military it is a big deal, for an emergency airdrop of ammo preloaded in magazines is different from an airdrop of ammo preloaded in clips.
But go back several decades in factory ads, magazines, etc.: "clip" is a common misnomer for "detachable magazine". I believe it is because it is one word, one syllable, four letters versus two words, six syllables, eighteen letters and a spaceband.
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