Clip vs Mag : terminology review

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Guys, you're wearing me out........but nevermind, I can't make my point clear enough. Guess I'll just transport back to the 1920's - steal a Buick - rob a bank and be happy that my Thompson empties a 30-rnd CLIP faster than you can say go ! :neener:

Thompsons, generally looted from small town police stations, along with early-day body armor were a favorite item for Public Enemy No.1, John Dillinger. The Dillinger-Nelson gang, along with their sometimes-cohort, Charles Arthur "Pretty Boy" Floyd (Oklahoma's contribution to the blemishes on the backside of society) liked to carry Thompsons with the buttstock removed and a 20-round clip in place of the familiar drum magazine. This way the gun could be concealed under an overcoat, and, if shooting was involved, fired one-handed, leaving the other hand free to carry loot, grab hostages, or steer the getaway car.
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http://www.auto-ordnance.com/ao_ao.html

As for other links to previous examples, they have better support as 'primary' examples because they were written in the 1930's ....way before anyone here was old enough to say the word 'gun'.....

Sheesh......I'm just trying to re-established a period slang word that has been obliterated and replaced with modern 'lingo' thought of as 'correct' by firearm wannabe experts.......:barf: .......it's ok.....really.

I didn't choose Dillinger by accident ~wink~ say hi to the ladies and children.........I'll escape out the back door now. :cool:
 
Ok let's take this down to the nitty gritty. For those people who call a magazine a clip, would you call a stripper clip, a moon clip, an M1 enbloc clip or a Mannlicher clip a magazine?
The two terms are not equally interchangeable by a long shot, so why not use the proper terms the way they are currently used?

Now I am sure in the 1920's they called Thompson magazine clips sometimes, but I also bet back then some people who wrote manuals and such thought it was ok to say they loaded "bullets" in those same clips.
 
Now I am sure in the 1920's they called Thompson magazine clips sometimes, but I also bet back then some people who wrote manuals and such thought it was ok to say they loaded "bullets" in those same clips.
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The thing is they still do it in the 2000's.


-- John
 
Mr. Dillinger, you may, with impunity, call your rifle a gun, your cartridges bullets, your detachable magazine a clip, your shooting sling a strap, a slob bushwacker a sniper, a black semi-auto rifle an assualt rifle, a web site a sight, gun sights sites, etc., as you wish. You may substitute there for their, your for you're, mine for mind, etc., as you wish.

But using the wrong term is always bad grammer, at best, or ignorance. It conveys to those who know what you are saying that you don't or, at best, are poorly educated. That (accurate) impression bothers some folks, doesn't bother others. Guess it's a matter of today's public educational philosophy where each of us stands on the question.
 
The fact that you can find other instances of people who should know better making the same mistake that you are making doesn't mean it isn't a mistake :).
 
Gotta love it!
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Sure do!

I simplified my life a while back - I assume that most people mixing "clip" for "magazine" do so without malice. They're my gunnie buddies hence no need for me to say / post anything.

However, there exists a minority of those who transpose the terms who do so out of nothing other than black-hearted malice. They do it to stir up long dead issues and hose a bunch of bandwidth. They often cite the mistakes of others as justification for their actions, knowing full well most of us had parents that delighted in pointing out that "just because little Johnny jumps off the roof doesn't mean you should". They know this, yet persist. Some accuse them of being related to genus Bridgis Trollicus but this is needlessly harsh and only accurate in a very few cases.

In the later case, I won't say or post a correction as the absence of the correction denies them the attention they so desperatly crave.

So, whether the torturing of the language is done with or without malice, the response stays the same: silence. This is particularly handy as it's impossible to tell which type you might be dealing with.

Of course, all the above is meaningless should I accidently hit the "submit reply" button and thus prolong everyone's agony...

OOPS
 
Gotcha! Said tongue in cheek, but you made my point...:

Quote: "But using the wrong term is always bad grammer." Grammar.
 
Well, I got another box clip in the mail, elongated the catch slot (hole) and it now fits perfectly.

You guys all missed the point of being 'period correct' but I know that it's not about re-enacting or history or seeing the 'white elephant' .....oops, now did I stump ya ? :neener:

ANyhow, I'm a well edjamucated skolar of infinight decree and whut must be........well jist IS........:D
 
Did somebody above mispell "assualt gun" incorrectly?

In the 1960s a friend of mine wrote an article entitled "Survival Kit in a Clip," referring to the 1911 magazine, for a major firearms magazine.

No editor, proofreader, fact checker, publisher, or reader objected to it.
 
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Did somebody above mispell "assualt gun" incorrectly?

In the 1960s a friend of mine wrote an article entitled "Survival Kit in a Clip," referring to the 1911 magazine, for a major firearms magazine.

No editor, proofreader, fact checker, publisher, or reader objected to it.
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They are not magazines......they are periodicals. :D
 
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Very good. :)

I was going to add that in the middle ages, many words which one should not put in print nowadays were quite common.

Some of them even appeared in early editions of the Bible, and have since been modified to reflect today's sensibilities, and you won't find them in modern editions.

So. "Correctness" varies with time and taste.

Upshot: Don't "correct" someone. Point out the modern preferred usage, if you will, but don't pulpitize that it is the only "correct" way.
 
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So,, did the periodical have an article about magazines called clips?
Duzitmatter? Not!
 
I simplified my life a while back - I assume that most people mixing "clip" for "magazine" do so without malice. They're my gunnie buddies hence no need for me to say / post anything.
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I don't think anyone assumes malice (ya, I know you were kidding!); however, I see no problem with correcting someone.
My pet peeve is when people call a chimpanzee a monkey,:banghead: drives me crazy! Would you let someone call a tiger a lion without correction? They are a lot closer than a monkey and an ape--by the way we're are closer to chimpanzees than monkeys, so calling a chimp a human is more correct than calling them a monkey!
Chastity is used for celibacy by just about everyone. Almost anyone that uses the term fascist, has no clue as what it means.
They do it from ignorance. This is how good words get lost from our language.
We are all ignorant about something, some are ignorant about most thinks, stupid is when ignorance meets stubbornness, and the person is to stubborn to change even though they know they are wrong (none of that is directed at you Hawk, just ranting for a bit).
Perhaps a word should be lost, but I for one like the precision of the English language. It is that very precision (a word for every little variable thing) that makes English the language that is slowly taking over the world (remember when they said EVERYONE had to learn to speak Spanish because in 20 years you would have to).
I'll call a clip a clip, a magazine a magazine, and gently point out the difference to anyone that cares.
Heck, what else do I have to do with my life, might as well be a gadfly--just keep away from Hemlock!
 
Mr. Dillinger, you may, with impunity, call your rifle a gun, your cartridges bullets, your detachable magazine a clip, your shooting sling a strap, a slob bushwacker a sniper, a black semi-auto rifle an assualt rifle, a web site a sight, gun sights sites, etc., as you wish. You may substitute there for their, your for you're, mine for mind, etc., as you wish.
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Did somebody above mispell "assualt gun" incorrectly?
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NO, not at all, he either correctly misspelt or spelled incorrectly. If one were to incorrectly misspell, it would indicate that Mr. Ranger335v was unsuccessful in his attempt to misspell, and by default spelled the word correctly with the unrealized intention of misspelling. Hence the gramatical error of the double negative in the post about mispelling


Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense!

Why would a Wookiee, an eight-foot tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case!

If Chewbacca lives on Endor, then mags are mags and clips are clips, mags are not clips and clips are not mags.:neener:
 
alucard0822


Did somebody above mispell "assualt gun" incorrectly?
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NO, not at all, he either correctly misspelt or spelled incorrectly. If one were to incorrectly misspell, it would indicate that Mr. Ranger335v was unsuccessful in his attempt to misspell, and by default spelled the word correctly with the unrealized intention of misspelling. Hence the gramatical error of the double negative in the post about mispelling
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Oh, sorry. Let me correct myself: Assualt rifle.

)Thanks for the great laugh this shiny Sunday morning on the first day of Uatumn, alucard0822!(
 
)Thanks for the great laugh this shiny Sunday morning on the first day of Uatumn, alucard0822!(
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your ewlcome:)

Well, lets be sure and not monkey around ending up using an incorrect word.
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no CHIMP' ing around;)

(I appolagise, I have been at work since 5 and have had biblical ammounts of coffee, only 6 hours to go)
 
Hrmmm.....

I'm a pedant. I admit it.
It does make me irritated when people who know the difference don't bother. It's one thing if you don't know. That's when correction is necessary.
I was very much impressed with TX1911fan's analogy. You wouldn't let someone call a carb a fuel injector, or vice versa, especially when they should know better. Least, I wouldn't.
But, after reading this thread, I think I'll lay off a little on the correcting.

Hrmm, so if I can't be pedantic about mag vs. clip.....
I've got something else.

JWarren:
...and the Pope is still in Rome.
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Actually, he's in Vatican City.:neener:
 
Wellll....

A throttle body injection is kind of like a carburetor:) at least in looks on some of the first ones. As far as the magazine vs. clip thing, I personally call them magazines, however I have seen gun books call all sorts of autoloaders clip fed guns and these are guns that take what we would term a magazine in these days of political correctness. :p I don't know when the official terminology changed, I would guess sometime in the mid 80's, as I have many gun books from the early 80's that seem to interchange the two terms.
 
i used to correct people when i was a kid (same with silencer/supressor). i mostly gave up. however, i do tend to prefer people to use presice terminology, unless your just joking around.
 
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