CLP Cleans Corrosive?

[rhubarb]

I was just reading some posts by Ed Harris (Ed's Red) on yarchive.net. He states that Breakfree CLP will neutralize the effects of corrosive primers.

I know that CLP is much more expensive than soap and water. I have to wonder, though, if I could get away with running a patch of CLP through the bore of my Mosin after shooting and do away with the laborious three minute soap and water cleaning.

As a parallel, he claims that Ed's Red will also negate the need for soap and water cleaning after black powder or chlorate primers.

 

[DMK]

I hadn't read that. However, oil does not typically dissolve salt. Water does.

I don't see what the big deal is about cleaning corrosive salts. You wet a patch with soapy water. You mop the bore (and gas tube if it's a semi-auto). You dry it with a new clean patch. Wipe the bolt face and area immediately around the chamber with another damp patch. Wipe dry with a rag. Done. Now use your powder solvent, CLP or whatever you wish.

It took me longer to type it than it does to do it.

 

[B.D. Turner]

I tried the CLP on a Mosin bore. It looked good until about a week later when it looked like a sewer pipe.
A 50/50 mix of Formula 409 and rubbing alcohol works as well or better than anything you can buy.

 

[DMK]

A 50/50 mix of Formula 409

409 has water in it. So basically, it's the soapy water that did the trick. A lot of folks use Windex or some generic equivalent. The alcohol did nothing for you.

 

[B.D. Turner]

409 contains ammonia that is what breaks down the salts. Yes 409 contains water so does rubbing alcohol but it works great. Could it be the alcohol helps carry away that water? Either way I know it works.

 

[atblis]

Hmm

Really can't get around the water thing. Boiling water works great.

I think the corrosive cleaning thing is from the mil spec because 50 cal still has corrosive primers. I don't know if the commercial breakfree meets this or not.

 

[dfariswheel]

"409 contains ammonia that is what breaks down the salts"

Sorry, that's wrong.
Ammonia itself has no effect on corrosive salts.

ONLY water will dissolve the salts and flush them out.
Ammonia, 409, Windex, alcohol, and all similar cleaners will work only if they contain water.
Since 409, Windex and all other liquid cleaners are about 95% water, that's why they work.

So, since water is what works, and NOTHING is cheaper then water, that's the best thing to use, although Windex may be handier to use at the range.
Personally, when I was still using corrosive ammo, I just filled a squirt bottle with soapy water and gave the bore a good flush to tide me over until I got the gun home where I could flush the bore with HOT soapy water, then I cleaned with standard bore solvents.

 

[yodar]

neutralize salts, NOT!

Salts are the end product of a chemical reaction of decomposition of potassium chlorate as it provides oxygen for the combustion of the Nitrogen compounds in Primer mix.

Reaction ENDPRODUCTS can not be neutralized, they must be DISSOLVED and washed away as a solution.

Merely WASH it down real good with any process that will dissolve table salt, and the KCL in your bbl will dissolve even easier.

Its no big deal but it's NOT neutralization. Period.

After water on a gun remember to follow with your favorite anti-rust lubricant (I prefer ballsitol)

STOP using the word Neutralize. Replace it with the word DISSOLVE

yodar

 

[Dave Markowitz]

I use Windex to clean after shooting either corrosive ammo or blackpowder, for two reasons:

1. The water in it dissolves and flushes out the salt residue from corrosive primers.

2. The surfactants in it do an excellent job of cleaning away the fouling. I'd rate Windex as about the best BP solvent I've used (and I've tried a bunch).

Oh, a third reason: It comes in a handy squirt bottle.

The ammonia will work on any copper fouling left behind by the bullets from corrosive ammo, so it's not worthless.

 

[Slamfire]

Mil Prf-63460 available at Dodiss http://assist.daps.dla.mil/quicksearch/ is a performance spec used to procure CLP. I have just reviewed the specification and CLP is not tested to remove corrosive primer residue. It is tested for removal of powder residue and rust protection under humid conditions. There are a number of other tests. Mil-C-372 Rifle Bore cleaner was tested for removal of corrosive residue and powder residue.

I had about four gallons of Mil-C-372, now down to two gallons. It is great stuff, an excellent powder solvent. Still, when I fire corrosive ammunition, I may use Mil-C-372 in brushing the bore, but I use hot soapy water at some point. Never had any rust problems due to corrosive primers after the hot water treatment. Did have to blow dry a couple of stocks due to water splashing.

As I am ultra cheap, I have found that I can wrap cut strips of paper hand towels around a .22 brush, and that works very well in swabbing out water droplets in a barrel. A couple of paper towel patches and the bore is dry, then I follow with a oily patch.

 

[berettashotgun]

SlamFire1; I cannot get to the page,

 

[Slamfire]

Click on the URL. http://assist.daps.dla.mil/quicksearch/ In the field "document number", type in 63460. Click on submit.

Works on my machine.

You can play around with these fields to pull up documents.

Give a man a fish, or teach a man to fish....

 

[berettashotgun]

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this is what I keep getting

 

[DMK]

It works for me.