tgimcnate1
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Does anyone know if the Cmp will ever sell surplus M-14s? I would assume there would be quite a few in storage
Cmp M-14?
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TexasRifleman
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That's one of the first questions in the CMP FAQ section...
http://www.odcmp.com/faqs.htm
I can't imagine it ever happening.
http://www.odcmp.com/faqs.htm
I can't imagine it ever happening.
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RGO
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They will not, because of ATF's "once a machine gun, always a machine gun" rule.
cracked butt
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No.
tgimcnate1
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M-14/m-1a
Then what is the main difference between the civilian M-1a and the military M-14? Did all military service M-14s come with a selector switch? I thought most were issued as semiauto.
Then what is the main difference between the civilian M-1a and the military M-14? Did all military service M-14s come with a selector switch? I thought most were issued as semiauto.
TexasRifleman
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All the M1A's you see out in the civilian market use receivers made outside of the military contract. No M14 receivers ever made it to the marketplace for us.
They may use surplus parts for the remainder of the rifle, but the receivers are not surplus.
I got mine from Fulton Armory. They will build one with the selector switch, but it doesn't do anything but look "authentic" and makes a clicking sound
They may use surplus parts for the remainder of the rifle, but the receivers are not surplus.
I got mine from Fulton Armory. They will build one with the selector switch, but it doesn't do anything but look "authentic" and makes a clicking sound
Quintin Likely
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There was a petition floating around at one time, trying to coerce CMP into selling M14s with the selective fire stuff removed or disabled, but as others have pointed out, the ATF sez "once a machine gun, always a machine gun."
SapperLeader
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Even besides the whole ATF issue of once a machinegun, the other problem is that most of the m14s sitting in surplus were destroyed, and the remainder are earmarked for US military use. It makes you want to weep, but we will never see CMP M14.
Swampy
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tgim,
Never hap'n, Cap'n....
Besides being a machine gun under ATF regs...
The CMP does not get to decide what is "surplus"... the Army does. The CMP gets things only AFTER the Army decides the item in question is no longer needed.. i.e. "surplus to future US military needs".
... and now guess what....
After having most of the M14 production either given away to foreign countries, or having been sent to the cruncher by Slick Willy, the small remaining percentage of USGI M14 rifles that have languished in storage for 40 years are now in high demand by GI's and Marines over in the big sandbox. The Army is scrambling to get enough of these fine weapons into the hands of men who really NEED them... and the supply is way too short.
Don't hold your breath for the M14 to be declared "surplus" anytime soon.
Just my thoughts,
Best to all,
Swampy
Garands forever
Never hap'n, Cap'n....
Besides being a machine gun under ATF regs...
The CMP does not get to decide what is "surplus"... the Army does. The CMP gets things only AFTER the Army decides the item in question is no longer needed.. i.e. "surplus to future US military needs".
... and now guess what....
After having most of the M14 production either given away to foreign countries, or having been sent to the cruncher by Slick Willy, the small remaining percentage of USGI M14 rifles that have languished in storage for 40 years are now in high demand by GI's and Marines over in the big sandbox. The Army is scrambling to get enough of these fine weapons into the hands of men who really NEED them... and the supply is way too short.
Don't hold your breath for the M14 to be declared "surplus" anytime soon.
Just my thoughts,
Best to all,
Swampy
Garands forever
Bwana John
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The CMP was selling M-14 parts for a while. I got 3 parts kits (minus the barrel and stock) 4 years ago.
Swampy
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Yeah.... That was then... this is now.
Best,
Swampy
tgimcnate1
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M-14/model 57
Ive read that by 1963 almost 1.4 million m-14s were made in the US. The production machinery was then sold to Taiwain, Known as the model 57 almost a million rifles were made before production stopped in the 1980s.I guess rifles given to our allies, or made in foriegn countries can not be brought in to the US because of certain laws.
Ive read that by 1963 almost 1.4 million m-14s were made in the US. The production machinery was then sold to Taiwain, Known as the model 57 almost a million rifles were made before production stopped in the 1980s.I guess rifles given to our allies, or made in foriegn countries can not be brought in to the US because of certain laws.
Sleeping Dog
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Most M14's never had a selector switch. I only saw one with full-auto capability, at a training area at Ft Polk, LA.
The sergeant had a few of us try it out. I didn't control it well, being a skinny private. It was great for laughs, almost as good as getting M14-thumb.
With practice, I'm sure we would have done better, but I think the demonstration was designed to "sell" the M16, much easier to control. After training, I got sent to Europe, where we were issued semi-auto M14's.
So, M14's that I saw without "the switch": thousands
With the switch: one.
Mostly, they were never machineguns.
Regards.
The sergeant had a few of us try it out. I didn't control it well, being a skinny private. It was great for laughs, almost as good as getting M14-thumb.
With practice, I'm sure we would have done better, but I think the demonstration was designed to "sell" the M16, much easier to control. After training, I got sent to Europe, where we were issued semi-auto M14's.
So, M14's that I saw without "the switch": thousands
With the switch: one.
Mostly, they were never machineguns.
Regards.
TexasRifleman
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Correct. That whole "once a machine gun always....etc" thing again.
And, because there were so many made, the number of magazines available is staggering. So, if you do get an M1A obtaining mags is no problem.
There are some great M1A's out on the market and it's a great shooter.
I'm afraid there just aren't any bargains to be had like with the Garand.
Ammo is CHEAP CHEAP too, another reason to look into it.
And though the number that were select fire might be small, the receiver for both is identical. That's the part that kills us. An issue semi M14 is easily made full auto.
That's the reason all of the M1A makers have to machine their own receivers, and they are not quite identical to their M14 counterparts. It's a shame too,
these are such great guns.
And, because there were so many made, the number of magazines available is staggering. So, if you do get an M1A obtaining mags is no problem.
There are some great M1A's out on the market and it's a great shooter.
I'm afraid there just aren't any bargains to be had like with the Garand.
Ammo is CHEAP CHEAP too, another reason to look into it.
And though the number that were select fire might be small, the receiver for both is identical. That's the part that kills us. An issue semi M14 is easily made full auto.
That's the reason all of the M1A makers have to machine their own receivers, and they are not quite identical to their M14 counterparts. It's a shame too,
these are such great guns.
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falconer
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And to make matters even more frustrating, the CMP actually gives out NM M14's with the selectors welded to various clubs to use for team rifles. So much for "once a machine gun, always a machine gun rule."
tgimcnate1
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So what would be wrong with the CMP selling M-14s with the Selectors welded? I would'nt think it would be that big of a problem.
El Rojo
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The BATFE classifies a firearm as "once a machine gun, always a machine gun." Therefore, they won't be authorizing their sale to the public. The same old silly laws we have been dealing with for 70 years.
Swampy
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tgim wrote:
It makes NO difference whether the selector is welded or not. ANY, rpt. ANY USGI M14 receiver falls under the ATF's "Once a Machine Gun, Always a Machine Gun" rulings.
The CMP won't sell "machine guns" (if I'm not mistaken... I might be... I'm pretty certain that that's spelled out in the CMP's charter... i.e. No "machine gun" sales.).... and while I've not yet heard of this subject coming up anywhere, I'd strongly suspect that once some of the higher echelon QM types in the Army realize and remember that the CMP and many State Rifle associations have M14's in their target rifle programs, they are going to demand them BACK for front line service.
Just a guess here based on how things have been progressing...
Just my thoughts,
Best to all,
Swampy
Garands forever
It makes NO difference whether the selector is welded or not. ANY, rpt. ANY USGI M14 receiver falls under the ATF's "Once a Machine Gun, Always a Machine Gun" rulings.
The CMP won't sell "machine guns" (if I'm not mistaken... I might be... I'm pretty certain that that's spelled out in the CMP's charter... i.e. No "machine gun" sales.).... and while I've not yet heard of this subject coming up anywhere, I'd strongly suspect that once some of the higher echelon QM types in the Army realize and remember that the CMP and many State Rifle associations have M14's in their target rifle programs, they are going to demand them BACK for front line service.
Just a guess here based on how things have been progressing...
Just my thoughts,
Best to all,
Swampy
Garands forever
Feanaro
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Welding the selectors isn't enough for the BATF. As I understand it, the receiver would have to be removed and a new one added.
tgimcnate1
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with the reciever welded it would be impossible to convert back to select-fire,right?I guess just don't understand that part of the law
Feanaro
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The BATF, and the government in general, doesn't bother with trivial details like "logic" or "common sense". It makes no sense to me either but there it is.
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