CMP Releases more 1911 info
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G'dale Mike
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And special historically significants to open auction. Got my email today, stated only 8000 released this year and their server cannot keep up with volume associated with hits related to 1911 sales. Looks like they can’t be shipped to c&r license.
The original email they sent out appears to have crashed their website. They sent out a second email with all the details included. The prices are lower than most people imagined. I'm guessing a the 8,000 pistols supplied will cover a small fraction of the applications they receive.
I'm sure there will be a litany of posts complaining about the process and everything else under the sun like previous CMP threads.
I'm sure there will be a litany of posts complaining about the process and everything else under the sun like previous CMP threads.
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Here is the description
CMP has priced the 1911 type pistols at fair market value in accordance with CMP's enabling legislation.
Service Grade $1050. Pistol may exhibit minor pitting and wear on exterior surfaces and friction surfaces. Grips are complete with no cracks. Pistol is in issuable condition.
Field Grade $950. Pistol may exhibit minor rust, pitting, and wear on exterior surfaces and friction surfaces. Grips are complete with no cracks. Pistol is in issuable condition.
Rack Grade $850. Pistol will exhibit rust, pitting, and wear on exterior surfaces and friction surfaces. Grips may be incomplete and exhibit cracks. Pistol requires minor work to return to issuable condition.
Unless I could go pick one from the North or South store, like Garlands, I would pass on these.
CMP has priced the 1911 type pistols at fair market value in accordance with CMP's enabling legislation.
Service Grade $1050. Pistol may exhibit minor pitting and wear on exterior surfaces and friction surfaces. Grips are complete with no cracks. Pistol is in issuable condition.
Field Grade $950. Pistol may exhibit minor rust, pitting, and wear on exterior surfaces and friction surfaces. Grips are complete with no cracks. Pistol is in issuable condition.
Rack Grade $850. Pistol will exhibit rust, pitting, and wear on exterior surfaces and friction surfaces. Grips may be incomplete and exhibit cracks. Pistol requires minor work to return to issuable condition.
Unless I could go pick one from the North or South store, like Garlands, I would pass on these.
Didn't Clinton have them cut up most of the extra 1911s being stored in armories when they were destroying most of the M14s, specifically to prevent them from going to civilians through the program?
I wonder how many more quality ones would have been available. At those prices other than to have a historical firearm what is gained over getting a cheaper reliable one like a Rock Island 1911 that is brand new and won't have rust pitting and worn out parts.
Still glad to see the CMP was able to get them and they finally are going where they should have over 20 years ago.
I wonder how many more quality ones would have been available. At those prices other than to have a historical firearm what is gained over getting a cheaper reliable one like a Rock Island 1911 that is brand new and won't have rust pitting and worn out parts.
Still glad to see the CMP was able to get them and they finally are going where they should have over 20 years ago.
Homerboy
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$1050 for a service grade is fair. A service grade Garand isn’t much less and they are in excellent condition. I’m not a 1911 guy, but I might throw my hat in the ring for this.
That's exactly the reason for the 1 per year limit and pricing. Don't think you'll make much with 8000 hitting the market this year and who knows how many in the future.
Homerboy
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Sure he will. Many more than 8000 will try to get one. Most will not get lucky. No telling how many more will be available in the future or if you get lucky those times. Not to mention flipping one means the next buyer knows exactly what he’s getting, with pictures, rather than luck of draw like CMP offers.
I bet a $1050 service grade can be immediately flipped for $1500. At least. If you really want a genuine GI and are willing to pay a grand sight unseen, $1500 for one with pics is easy.
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First of all, hard to believe you used the words "reliable" and "Rock Island" in the same sentence.
Second, this isn't about buying a 1911 pattern handgun; this is about owning a piece of American history. I can buy 3 AR-15s (or Savage hunting rifles) for the cost of my WWII M1 Garand. But that Garand (and these 1911's) have defended freedom all over the globe. They're a physical connection to a generation of Americans that saved humanity from itself. You can't get that from a Rock Island.
It amazes me to hear people poo poo this. No one is buying these for EDC self defense.
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And if you get one through the lottery drawing system, you're ineligible to bid on one for auction. The reverse is also true. When they say ONE pistol per customer until all orders are filled, they really mean it.
Correct, FFL's only.
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From what I read, and what I understood, they are not going to accept a second run of orders if/when they receive a second batch of guns. Everyone gets a random number assigned, and that's your place in line. You retain that pace until all orders are filled. If they receive 30k applications, and eventually get 10k guns, 10k out of those first 30k will receive guns, and it will be the 10k who are assigned the first 10k random numbers. In this scenario, they won't accept new orders until the first 30k applicants get their guns.
SO,in other words, make sure you get your application completed properly with I's dotted and T's crossed, and delivered on time the first time. You won't get a second chance.
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I am a little puzzled over the allure of CMP 1911s. My father was a 20 year Navy officer - I think most of what he did was with a 1911 was hand it to the next watch. But he didn’t think very much of his service weapon. He found it pretty inaccurate to say the least. He was of the opinion that throwing the pistol at the enemy was the best use of a 1911.
He really enjoyed reloading shooting - but his weapon of choice was a S&W Highway Patrolman .357 magnum, which he loved shooting at 100 yards. He thought the Highway Patrolman to be a wonderful wespon, head and shoulders above his service pistol.
After he retired, he had an opportunity to shoot a more modern civilian 1911 - not sure which brand - and he said it was more accurate than any 1911 he had encountered in the Navy.
If the service weapons were as inaccurate as he reported, I don’t quite understand the attraction of paying $1000 for a used service weapon. Are people attracted because of the history? Did the servjce 1911s get more accurate with age? He was in from 1951-1971, and I think he was only a line officer on a ship for the first couple of years, and I don’t think that handled a weapon much after that. Maybe he was issued a worn out WWII 1911, and they improved much later?
He really enjoyed reloading shooting - but his weapon of choice was a S&W Highway Patrolman .357 magnum, which he loved shooting at 100 yards. He thought the Highway Patrolman to be a wonderful wespon, head and shoulders above his service pistol.
After he retired, he had an opportunity to shoot a more modern civilian 1911 - not sure which brand - and he said it was more accurate than any 1911 he had encountered in the Navy.
If the service weapons were as inaccurate as he reported, I don’t quite understand the attraction of paying $1000 for a used service weapon. Are people attracted because of the history? Did the servjce 1911s get more accurate with age? He was in from 1951-1971, and I think he was only a line officer on a ship for the first couple of years, and I don’t think that handled a weapon much after that. Maybe he was issued a worn out WWII 1911, and they improved much later?
Let's not be too mean to the little Rock Islands. I bought one (second from the bottom of the line), fired 50 rounds to make sure it ran OK, then ran it through Gunsite's 250 course for > 1,200 rounds with no cleaning other than 3 drops of lube each morning. It ran fine - the only malfunctions I had were on reloads with magazines that didn't have butt-pads on them.
It's not fancy, and it's not my first choice for carry, but I'm pretty sure I can depend on that cheap 'ol thing and hit what I'm shooting at.
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Mike, there are TONS of stories by probably thousands of men like your dad, and they all seem to come from that same time frame. The thing to understand is that, at least to my knowledge, all of the military's 1911s were made from WWI to the end of WW II, and none were made since WW II. Most had seen some pretty serious, abusive service. I've heard of guns so loose, they rattled like a spray paint can. By the time of Vietnam, those guns had been in service as much as 50 years. They were basically shot out.
The allure of the CMP 1911 is, as I stated earlier, purely one of historical significance. I don't foresee these guns being someone's first gun. I doubt anyone is buying them for self defense or even competition. I want one as a companion to my WW II Garand. I will probably shoot it once in a while in 2-gun, along with the Garand. (I honestly don't even like the 1911 design. Stage one carry cares the heck out of me. I much prefer the M9-actually, I much prefer a revolver.)
Homerboy
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I agree. The allure of these is the historical significance. I am sure I will be ordering one. If I am lucky and get one, if at any point I change my mind about it. I will have no problems selling it and more than likely making money on the deal.
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I suspect they were not "shot out". My guess is much of the wear was from being disassembled and reassembled tens of thousands of times.
I certainly would not buy one of these as a shooter. It would be as a collectable.
mgmorden
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Honestly though I'd like one of these - their high price is a turn off, and the absolute nightmare of paperwork is the nail in the coffin.
I'm going to try to grab a Garand before the run out, but the 1911's I'll leave for people with more patience than I.
I'm going to try to grab a Garand before the run out, but the 1911's I'll leave for people with more patience than I.
the paperwork part of it does not sound horribly offensive to me if you want the gun.
stchman
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Paying ~$1000 for some old worn out 1911, I can't see myself doing that, but there seems to be people lining up to do it.
amd6547
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Someday, people will marvel at the price these are sold at...and that the government allowed them to be sold at all.
stchman
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The US government has millions of those old pistols in warehouses, they should sell them all. When they're done with the 1911s, sell off the old Berettas.
maxxhavoc
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So, here's what you do:
Join the Garand Collectors Association for $25 per year, you can do it online. They will send your membership info to the CMP without you doing anything.
-Xerox your birth Certificate or Passport.
-Xerox your SC CWP (I assume you have this?)
-Fill out the Form, which is shorter than a 4473. Get it notarized at the bank or wherever.
-Fill out the order form
Stick them in an envelope and Mail them off. Paperwork done for 2 years and you can buy several Garands with just order forms during that time. Shipped directly to your doorstep, no 4473 or FFL needed.
It sounds more complicated than it is the first time you do it...been there, done that. The 1911s are supposed to be the same or similar paperwork + a 4473.
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