My wife and I use our 22s at a Cowboy Action Shooting facility that also has a 22lr falling plates area. We recently learned that we could use our M&P 9mm and 40 cal with lead or coated lead bullets, maximum velocity 1000 fps I believe. I'm about 1 week short of having my loading bench completed and fully set up and am looking for a bullet source that would work for low power factor. Missouri Bullet Co, for example, has a lot of offerings, but they are described as suitable for major power factor.
Coated Lead Bullets for Low Power Rounds (9/40)
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Jim Watson
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It doesn't say they are suitable ONLY for major power factor.
The coated bullets will load down to powderpuff levels just fine.
I suggest the 147 grain so that when you get below 1000 fps, there will still be enough recoil for reliable function.
The coated bullets will load down to powderpuff levels just fine.
I suggest the 147 grain so that when you get below 1000 fps, there will still be enough recoil for reliable function.
straight-shooter
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A powder coated bullet will do everything a plated bullet will do. The velocity range of a powder coated bullet is excellent.
ArchAngelCD
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I agree, the coated bullets will shoot just fine at lower pressures. The price is right too.
rfwobbly
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I'm a HUGE Missouri Bullet Co. supporter, but Bayou Bullets is another source that's also getting a lot of rave reviews on the CZ Forum with their coated bullets.
J_McLeod
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The MBC 147gr is one of my favorite 9mm bullets. I use HS-6 and 231 and they shoot great with low recoil. I'm thinking about placing an order soon, and the regular 147s shoot so well with no leading, I may not see a need to get the powder coated.
My Lyman manual often says that cast bullet shooters should stay below X,XXX fps. Could you exceed this with a coated bullet?
My Lyman manual often says that cast bullet shooters should stay below X,XXX fps. Could you exceed this with a coated bullet?
Out of a revolver, maybe.
The max speed out of a locked breech recoil operated handgun is usually limited by other factors. So the theoretical max speed of a lead bullet doesn't usually make any difference out of most modern locked breech semiautos. You will usually hit other limits before the bullet starts to fail/foul... unless you are playing with light-for-caliber bullets.
J_McLeod
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How about out of a 30/30 or .308?
It says that using cast bullets in a Marlin 30/30, shooters should keep velocity below 1600, which is below starting for half the powders listed.
Toprudder
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While I have not shot any coated bullets in 9 or 40 yet, I have done a ladder test with one batch of Bayou Bullets in 45 and was VERY impressed. I have a group of 9mm Bayou Bullets loaded up now but have not had a chance to shoot them yet.
I have shot 155gn plated in my Witness 40 at 900fps and they function just fine, could probably load down a little lighter with them.
My wife has a Witness 9mm that I have loads in 115gn that are right around 1000fps - very reliable. This past weekend I worked up loads with several powders, 115gn plated, and was pleasantly surprised with AA#7 at the starting charge. It was just under 900fps, reliable, very low recoil, very consistent velocity, casings falling at my feet.
So, 9 or 40, under 1000fps is very possible. I was shooting light bullets, so the heavier bullets would be even easier.
I have shot 155gn plated in my Witness 40 at 900fps and they function just fine, could probably load down a little lighter with them.
My wife has a Witness 9mm that I have loads in 115gn that are right around 1000fps - very reliable. This past weekend I worked up loads with several powders, 115gn plated, and was pleasantly surprised with AA#7 at the starting charge. It was just under 900fps, reliable, very low recoil, very consistent velocity, casings falling at my feet.
So, 9 or 40, under 1000fps is very possible. I was shooting light bullets, so the heavier bullets would be even easier.
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VenomBallistics
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I'm up to 2700 FPS with powder coated out of a rifle, and I see no reason I cannot finesse it to 3K.
coatings do fail, but you'll never do it with a handgun.
Jim Watson
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You DO understand that the Hi-Tek coating used by Missouri, Bayou, SNS, and BBI is not powder coating, don't you?
I don't know how fast you could push Hi-Tek, but Missouri has a coated 165 gr .309" you could try it with.
I don't know how fast you could push Hi-Tek, but Missouri has a coated 165 gr .309" you could try it with.
dbmjr1
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With velocities below 1K, why bother with the expense of coated bullets, when you can shoot lead?
In .45 acp I shoot 200gr semi wad-cutters at about 900 fps. I cast them 3% Tin 3% Antimony, and 94% lead. No leading, no fouling in either of my 1911's.
In .45 acp I shoot 200gr semi wad-cutters at about 900 fps. I cast them 3% Tin 3% Antimony, and 94% lead. No leading, no fouling in either of my 1911's.
TfflHndn
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I bother with coated because I don't have to clean waxy lube out of my seating dies.
I am also a fan of MBC, Falcon and SNS also make very good coated bullets.
I am also a fan of MBC, Falcon and SNS also make very good coated bullets.
ArchAngelCD
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I'm ready to make an order and I'm buying their coated 165gr .309" bullet to shoot in my 30-06. I see no need in the 30-30 but I probably can take advantage of the coating in the 30-06.
As for coated handgun bullets, I tested MBC 124gr .356" coated bullets in my 9mm and I pushed them to an AV of 1200 fps with no leading at all. Accuracy was just as good as when shooting their plain lead bullets too.
Here is the thread if you want to look at the data:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=758694
sevt_chevelle
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Because you get less smoke, the potential for leading is decreased.
A couple of sources
Bayou Bullets
Blue Bullets
Black bullets Inter
A couple of sources
Bayou Bullets
Blue Bullets
Black bullets Inter
sevt_chevelle
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Please give a range review of what you think of that bullet, I have a few 30-06 I've been wanting to try that out on.
J_McLeod
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Seconded. I've been eyeing MBC's 165gr .309 for a few weeks to try in my .308.
I did not realize there was a difference between powder coating and the Hi Tek that MBC and others use.
Toprudder
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^^^^ This ^^^^
I tried some hardcast bullets once, had to clean my dies afterwards. Never had to do that with plated. Plus, everything stays cleaner - bench, hands, clothes. My experience with Hi-Tek coated so far has been similar to plated, except I have to flare the casings just a little more.
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I've switched from jacketed to coated for 9 & 45 and have been very happy with the results. I run my 9's @ 125gr and 1,000 fps which is a nice light load and makes minimum power factor for the games I play.
There are a lot of sources with great reviews. I've been using -- and like very much -- the ones from http://www.thebluebullets.com/Default.asp
There are a lot of sources with great reviews. I've been using -- and like very much -- the ones from http://www.thebluebullets.com/Default.asp
Reloading, casting, coating ain't all about the money! My reloading is an "off shoot" hobby of my shooting. I enjoy reloading and I do it because I like to. I don't count pennies for my hobby (how many question a salmon fisherman's $$$ rod, reel, lures/bait purchase, or the $$$$$ guide fees?). I powder coat many of my cast bullets and enjoy the process and the results of my work. Not only in the benefits of PC with clean handling, no leading, but also what my targets tell me. If I didn't enjoy reloading, casting, lubing/PCing, I'd just buy my ammo...
for a bunch of info on PCing bullets; http://castboolits.gunloads.com/forumdisplay.php?184-Coatings-and-Alternatives
VenomBallistics
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couple interested in loading coated for rifles ....
DO IT.
You might need a powder switch, you might need a lyman M die.
but when all is said and done, it works better than you'd believe.
again .. get off the fence and do it.
DO IT.
You might need a powder switch, you might need a lyman M die.
but when all is said and done, it works better than you'd believe.
again .. get off the fence and do it.
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I get my coated pistol bullets from Precision Bullets. Not to be confused with PrecisionDelta.
all our 9mm and some 40 are coming from
Black & Blue Bullets
and they have been awesome
great pricing with free shipping in the bulk packs
fast and dependable
and now Tony has been adding NLG (no lube groove) bullets to the selection
if they are coated why do they need a lube groove!
that added bearing surface seems to show promise in the testing ive done
Black & Blue Bullets
and they have been awesome
great pricing with free shipping in the bulk packs
fast and dependable
and now Tony has been adding NLG (no lube groove) bullets to the selection
if they are coated why do they need a lube groove!
that added bearing surface seems to show promise in the testing ive done
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